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The cocktail shaker was out and the television was on at the House of Ill-Repute.

What, you didn't think Aphra was going to let a session go by without playing this, did you?

"For our final we want you to engage in some deep thoughts about what you've learnt over the past few weeks. While watching one of the philosophical classics of our times." Yes, Aphra said that with a straight face.

"Deep respectful thoughts."
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Had Isabela been pre-gaming this week? Yes. Was anyone even surprised by this? You shouldn't be. "Ideas," she pronounced confidently. "By this point of class you should have all have had some excellent ideas." To go along with the excellent booze that you had been provided, obviously.

Aphra nodded along. "We means that it's time for a pop quiz." And yes, she had timed opening that one bottle to go along with that statement, because in addition to being a great teacher she was an excellent show-woman.

"So," Isabela said. "Time to share with the class, what was the best idea you ever had in your cups." Exact level of intoxication up for debate. "And did it seem quite as great once you were sober?"

Most of hers did, because Isabela made excellent life choices.
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Aphra and Isabela had planned a really great class. It was deep, it was insightful. It asked the hard-hitting questions to find the cathartic answers.

And then they got distracted by groups of largely teenage girls throwing hoops and balls and ribbons at each other but art and suddenly they needed to become instant experts on a sport they'd just discovered existed.

At least there was still plenty of booze for anyone who did turn up to class?

[Got distracted watching my tiny baby cousin (only a few months other than the game) competing. So yeah. No OCD.]
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The television was set up in the House of Ill-Repute, and the drinks were poured.

"Today we're going to watching a film that engages with deep philosophical issues," Isabela explained.

Aphra nodded along. "It looks at some of the most deep and engaging questions of all."
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They were back in the House of Ill Repute today, because Aphra was not going to go outside in this weather. They did, however have a number of neon coloured cocktails to match the weather and anyone unfortunate enough to get caught outside in it.

"So if we're going to talk philosophy, the rancor in the room if you come from my galaxy is the Jedi," she began once everyone had a drink in hand. "This island has an incredibly high density of Jedi, but if you've somehow managed to miss them, they're basically magical space monks, with awesome laser swords."

"And epic romances of deeply restrained passion and longing." No, Isabela, that was your friend fiction about them.

"Now, there's a lot of different schools of thought on the Jedi, especially from outsiders. Entire academic careers have been made arguing over over points of grammar, let alone their actual philosophy." At least until it had become very, very illegal to hold any sort of opinions on them. "But to boil it down, they were a bunch of people who claimed to have a mystical connection to the forces that shaped the galaxy, and decided they were going to try to become their bests selves, and help out people who needed it. And it got them slaughtered by fascists." Including Aphra's former boss. "Including by one of my former bosses.

"So I guess today's question is, is it possible to actually become your best self, when not only do you have to contend with yourself, but people are going to drag you back down into the muck if you try."

Isabela immediately started pouring more drinks. They were going to need them.
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This week, class was being held on the beach (sorry, Navaan), with a number of large umbrellas and cabana lounges were set up, along with a pop-up bar were various rum cocktails (and mocktails) were being served.

This is what happened when Isabela got to choose the venue. "Welcome," she greeted them, waving a violently pink drink at them. "You know, last week we didn't get into what philosophy actually is."

"It's basically thinking about thinking." Friendly reminder that Aphra was in possession of a Ph.D. so she knew what she was talking about. "Because people are weird and like to overthink everything, and somehow, if you ask the question why enough, someone will come up with an answer. It mightn't be the right one, but it's sure to be interesting."

"Especially with booze involved," Isabela helpfully added. "So today we're going to asking each other that question, why? And seeing what answers spring to mind when you're sufficiently wasted."

'Why are you like this?' was a perfectly valid question.
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"You had your chance last week to torture us," Lana announced cheerfully. "Now it's our turn again. For your final exam, we'll be presenting you with a number of quandaries, and you need to say what you'd do. The only wrong answers are the ones you can't defend."

“Can’t make it any more complicated than that, and we’ve tried,” Atton said merrily. “Write down your response, and make it a real one. No ‘I use powers and get out of it’ poodoo, all right?”
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"Welcome back to our final class before exams," Lana said, as if they were going to have a written exam next week. Look, you never knew. "Today we thought we'd give you the chance to pose your own moral dilemmas. Are there things you've encountered or struggled with in your own life? Do you have questions for us about any of the things we've gone over or our own experiences? Today is your time to shine."

Atton pulled up a chair, around the desk, and parked it in front of the class. He sank down on it and eyed them all.

“Shoot,” he said. “We’ve been torturing you, now you can torture us. Enjoy.”
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“We’re going to keep it simple this week,” Atton said, standing in front of two blackboards with a marker in hand. “One of the biggest questions moral philosophers argue about is how hewn in stone good and evil really are.”

He wrote ‘absolutism’ on one of the two blackboards. “One team says that ‘good’ and ‘evil’ are very specific things you can easily define. Stealing? Always wrong. Stealing for funsies? Wrong. Stealing if your entire family is starving? Still wrong.” He tapped the blackboard. “A lot of religions are into this one.”

He turned to the other blackboard and wrote down ‘relativism’. “The other branch says that ‘good’ and ‘evil’ depends entirely on culture and circumstance. It’s flexible, and what might be evil in one case could be good in another.” He turned back towards the class. “And then there’s ‘universalism’, which tries to say that there’s some flexibility, but the basics stay the basics.”

"In other words, they want to have it both ways," Lana said. "Or they're just indecisive. Who decides what these 'basics' are? I got sentenced to death for something I ordinarily would be lauded for, even in my own culture. Anyone who thinks people don't use these however they advantage them is incredibly naive." Someone was salty.
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“So I’d say sorry for the lack of class last week, but I think our contracts have some clauses about what we can get away with when we get hit by avalanches of shit rolling downhill and piling up into a massive, fifty-ton crapstacle, so I’m not going to,” Atton said. He looked a touch ragged around the edges, though at least this time around he was alert and otherwise in a good state of health.

“Today we’re going to try an exercise some old scientists like to call ‘the Prisoner’s Dilemma’, which is one of those moral dilemmas some of you hate that people are still arguing about to this date,” Atton said. “It basically comes down to the question of selfishness: good policy, bad policy?”

"What a charming image." Lana rolled her eyes, but didn't argue. Sometimes things were what they were. "The prisoner's dilemma is this: you and one other are given a choice. You can cooperate or betray each other. You'll both get the best outcome if you cooperate. But if you choose to cooperate and they don't, that's worst for you." This was a very Sith game.

“So we’re going to pair you all up,” Atton said merrily. “And we brought candy.”

He held up a bag of fancy chocolates.

“We’ll do this two at a time. If one of you buzzes, and the other doesn’t, then the buzzer gets six and the other gets none. If you both stay off the buzzer, each of you gets three. But if you both buzz, well, nobody gets anything.”

"This is the lowest-stakes version of this you're ever likely to encounter," Lana said dryly. Also probably the least interesting, because Fandom people were so inclined to helping. "And no using powers." She was absolutely looking at you, Anakin. "You have to choose to trust the other person - or not."

Atton made a dryly amused noise. “And then we can decide if we can glean any kind of moral lesson out of doing this on an island full of do-gooders.”
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When the students arrived today, they would find a note from the moose on the door:

Class cancelled.



[Sorry! Len is powerless and my day has been nuts.]
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Lana welcomed them all to the class with a smile for the students and a coffee for Atton. Because sometimes the Force was helpful, and something told her he needed one.

She sipped her own and set it down to address the students. "Philosophy in this area of Earth has something called 'the problem of evil'. What it means is that since many of those here assume the existence of an all-powerful, omniscient, benevolent god, how do those people explain the existence of evil?" She shrugged. "Honestly, I don't understand the whole premise, so we can skip that part. Frankly, it's not necessary. If we assume that most individuals aren't evil, how do you explain evil?"

She spread her hands. "Of course, you may not believe that, either. And that's entirely fair. Is that how you explain evil - that there are more evil beings than good or neutral ones? Or are evil people stronger or more persuasive than good ones? Surely if most beings are either good, or at least self-interested enough not to want the universe to end, destruction shouldn't ever win. So, why does it? Do good people not care enough?" She leaned back against the desk. "Explain the existence of evil to me."

Atton clutched the coffee as if he needed it to live, which might not be entirely inaccurate. “You know, fix that millennia-old existential problem for us in the space of, oh, an hour,” he said. “Anyway, as far as I can deduce from some of you Earthers, the whole ‘omniscient god’ part of the issue is that you’d think that a guy with all the power in the world who just wanted to do good would just, I don’t know, prevent evil things from happening in the first place.” He sipped his coffee. “If you ask me? The actual answer is that the universe hates us and likes to watch us suffer. And people, on the whole, are self-involved morons who love tripping over each other’s feet.”

Beat.

“I guess that problem wasn’t hard after all.”

Lana rolled her eyes.
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"So," Atton said. He looked grumpy. Grumpier than usual, in fact. "The school board thinks we’re not teaching you enough quote-unquote ‘applicable real-life skills’. So the moose sent us a print-out of something straight off of Buzzfeed that we’re supposed to teach you today. So."

He held up the piece of paper menacingly.

"This is the one class we won’t dock points if you try to snark your way out."

"Or if you try to pick an option not presented," Lana said. "Because honestly, whoever wrote these had very little imagination. Though they're still useful as a thought exercise, I suppose."

"Honestly, I have questions about whoever wrote these," Atton said. "All right, here we go."
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Lana nodded at the students as they settled. "Today we'll be discussing liberalism. Which is not a political point of view, but a specific moral philosophy. According to liberalism, the greatest good is freedom. The only rules and laws that are considered good are those that prevent harm to another. Anything else should be permitted. Any action that doesn't harm another is good, particularly if it helps others gain freedom."

She spread her hands. "Of course, as with other philosophies, we're left with problems of scope and math. How can you be certain what you're doing won't harm anyone else? If one action harms some, and another harms others, how do you choose? Who decides what 'harm' or 'freedom' looks like?"

"'My right to swing my fist ends where your nose begins', is the oft-quoted answer," Atton said, once again lounging behind his desk, and wearing a t-shirt with 'death metal nutritional facts' under his leather jacket. "Under this philosophy, you can construe 'evil' to be whatever gets in the way of someone else's freedom. So on the one hand, slavery, obviously evil. On the other hand, driving around your neighborhood in a big truck waving guns around? No problem, and anybody who tries to stop you from doing that because it's intimidating is a bad guy."

"So," Lana continued, "let's discuss. Is this philosophy good at its base, or is it flawed to begin? If the former, could its execution work, and what difficulties would it face? If the latter, is there a way to redeem it?"
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The first person to enter the Danger Shop today would find themselves escorted to the wall, which they’d be facing for at least a few minutes. The next one after that would be directed to sit on the floor on one side, while the next few students had to sit on the other.

And then the program flipped on, surrounding them in what looked like an old cartoon. Green hills as far as the eye could see, a comically blue sky, and– train tracks. One on one side, one on the other. By the wall sat a switch.

A train honked loudly in the distance.

“The trolley problem is probably the most famous and most chewed-out moral problem in the multiverse,” Atton said brightly. “It poses a very utilitarian question: if a train is going to hit three people, and you have the power to throw the switch and send it in the other direction so it hits one person instead, should you throw the switch?”

Lana beamed at the person facing the wall. "You can choose to flip the switch or not. You can't do anything else. Now, if you do flip the switch, you've actively chosen to kill someone. If you don't, perhaps you'll have the moral superiority of not choosing to kill someone, but you've also passively chosen to allow three others to die.

"So, is active intent versus passive important?" she asked. "Is it purely a numbers game, whether you kill or save more people? Does it matter which people are on which side? You don't have much time to decide."
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Hey, class! It was Tuesday. Were you up for another scintillating moral debate?

“We’ve been talking a lot about intentions,” Atton said, as soon as everyone was seated. “So this week, let’s talk about the people who think intentions don’t mean anything. Utilitarians!” He clapped. Sarcastically.

“Now utilitarians believe that whatever act does the most objective good is the most moral one,” he said. “If you think that leads to some really bizarre questions I am absolutely going to force you to try to answer, you are correct. See, a lot of utilitarians approach morality and ethics as a math problem. Is it moral to ruin your clothes saving someone from drowning, when you could’ve just sold your clothes and used the money to save five people from starvation instead? A utilitarian would say ‘no, it isn’t’.”

He shrugged. “It makes the world seem kind of orderly, doesn’t it?” he said.

"It also requires far more intricate knowledge and math than most people are capable of or can be bothered with," Lana pointed out. "What if the one person you save can help a thousand more? What if your clothes are the only nice outfit you have, and you have to give a speech to people who care about that sort of thing that will fund assistance for millions? Does that justify letting some poor bastard drown? What if your speech isn't a certain thing but might help? How many levels of accountability can you reasonably be expected to be aware of?"

“Those are the types of questions modern utilitarians can get really into the weeds about,” Atton added. “They feel intent doesn’t really matter. How could it? Intent doesn’t get food into the mouths of people across the globe, or a malaria vaccine into the arm of someone who really needs it. They also don’t care about the nature of the action itself. If your goal is maximizing absolute happiness in the world, then if hurting one person means saving a million, the math is easy, isn’t it?”

"What if killing a trillion people helps two trillion?" Lana asked. "Is there a point at which you draw the line? How much cumulative good do you need to do to outweigh the bastardry of your actions? And again, who decides what good is and how much it weighs against harm? If killing one person feeds five for life, is that acceptable? What about killing one person to feed five for a year? Or a day? What if the person you kill is terrible to others? Not actively harmful, but not helpful, either. Does that make a difference?"

“And that brings us to a funny little invention of your current end-stage capitalist society,” Atton said. “‘Effective altruism’. The idea of this movement, popular among tech bros, is that you need large amounts of money to do the most good, so the most moral thing you can do with your life is to earn a lot of money and then spend it to help people. In fact, any second of your life you don’t spend on earning money so you can give it away is, more or less, an evil, wasted second.”

"Somehow most of them seem to get lost between the 'earning money' and the 'helping people' part," Lana noted. "But I suppose for the purposes of this class we can take the assumption as a whole and debate its efficacy, rather than the failings of its practitioners. Unless you feel that those failures are endemic to the philosophy."
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"Last week, we talked about kindness," Lana began. "Since we started by getting its definition, let's talk about the definition of unkindness. Apparently, that is 'inconsiderate or harsh behavior'. But one of the things we mentioned last week was that sometimes being blunt and confronting someone is the kind thing to do. Or at least the good thing. Are kind and good always the same?" She shrugged. "Are unkind and evil the same?"

She paced as she spoke. "Can you be kind and evil? Or unkind and good? Where do you draw the lines of what you define as either?" She turned to the class. "If you see a being hurting and you don't help them, is that evil? What if you know someone more qualified is nearby - is it evil not to let them know? Does that answer change if you, say, patch their wounds but don't help them to a clinic? What if the being in pain is a terrible person, or if they make a habit of hurting others? What if you suspect they do but have no proof? What would be the right thing to do?"

“Is there even a right thing to do?” Atton added. “Or is that where we hit the point where it’s just personal preference?”

"What about the opposite?" Lana continued. "What if you know someone is a bad person and they cause suffering, but in helping them you also help others? Say, a despotic leader who nevertheless always makes sure their people are fed, healthy, and well-off?" No particular reason. "Would helping that person stay in power be wrong?"

Atton looked at Lana. “Imagine forcing thousands of beings to live on the street because you think it’ll give them a shot at a better life months or years later,” he said. “Is that kind or unkind? Are those even words you can use in that situation?”

Lana nodded. "Someone mentioned earlier you can't force people to be good, because it doesn't end well. If you knew it wouldn't lead to worse, that it would end with your choice, would it be right or wrong, kind or unkind, to force someone to do what you believe is right?"

She lifted an eyebrow and leaned against the desk. "Discuss."
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“If you Google the word ‘kindness’, the evil-multinationals-that-be tell us it means ‘the quality of being friendly, generous, and considerate.’” Atton was actually standing up today, for once, though the fact that his boots touched the ground didn’t mean his leather-jacket-clad shoulder wasn’t held up primarily by the wall otherwise. “At the start of the class, at least one of you told me that that ‘quality of being friendly, generous, and considerate’ was the definition of good. And I get it. It sounds nice. Definitely looks great on a t-shirt, too. Prime Hallmark World material.”

He gave a wave in Stark’s general direction if he was there. “Problem is,” he said, “In reality, where most of us live, some of those words can actually be in direct opposition to each other, depending on context. Just to give a real simple one to ease you into it: saying ‘hi’ to someone might be friendly, but if that person is a stranger wearing headphones or reading a book, you can’t exactly call it considerate. Because they probably don’t want to hear from you."

"And it's all too easy to weaponize generosity and friendliness," Lana pointed out. "Being overly generous or excessively friendly can make people uncomfortable. Can make them feel as if they owe you, or as if you're pushing yourself at them. Presuming you don't want to do that, that's not exactly a positive."

“It might even wind up being unintentionally manipulative, forcing people into situations where they feel obligated to do things for you that they might not have done, had you not caught them with kindness," Atton agreed.

"Or take the old adage about teaching a guy to fish. If he’s starving, teaching him how to fish won’t cut it. If he’s all right but can’t feed his family, giving him one single flounder isn’t going to do much of anything besides prolong the time it takes for him to get off his ass and learn how to do it for himself.” Cough. Not that anyone here had a name vaguely resembling that of an author with far-reaching issues with charity, or anything.

He shrugged. “Or let’s take this example further. Maybe his long-suffering spouse at home is drowning in childcare and desperately needs him to get a fishing gig so he can feed them long-term, but he doesn’t see the point in doing that when kind people keep handing him fish just often enough to keep them from starving completely. And oh, the fishing company is enabling this behavior from tourists, because renting fishing gear to tourists is more profitable than giving the poor guy a job and selling the fish he catches for them.”

"Not to mention," Lana added, "what if he's allergic to fish? What if fish are sacred to him, and killing them is an abomination? What seems perfectly generous to you might be toxic to someone else, and you can't always know when that might be."

“Does that mean we should throw ‘kindness’ out the window?” Atton posited. He pushed away from the wall. “Maybe that’s taking it a few steps too far. There’s a place for that kind of thing, if you want to do right by people. But maybe we have to broaden our understanding what kindness is. And when it’s appropriate.”
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"Welcome back," Lana greeted them all. She was once again leaning against the desk at the front and looking suspiciously cheerful. "You all did so well last week, we thought we'd give you another example this week."

“Besides, our universe likes playing black and white so much, and this is a class about good and evil,” Atton drawled from his spot at the desk, feet propped up. “So why not look at every exercise from two perspectives?”

Lana pushed herself up and strode back and forth in front of the desk as she spoke. "So. Your country and the one next to it have been at odds so long that few people even remember why. You got a new leader who declared a largely unpopular war against the other country. The other country won, then took over your lands and proceeded to slaughter everyone they could, combatant or civilian, until you all fled for your lives. You've built up a new home where you are, and you're doing reasonably well, but your cultural and religious homeland is still under occupation. Your leader is pushing you to return and expel the invaders. Would doing so be good or evil?"
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"Welcome back, everybody," Lana said. "Now that we've gotten the pesky good-and-evil thing out in the open, we can talk a bit about what it means and how you might approach it. For one thing, not every philosophy does deal in good and evil. And those that do, often distinguish as some of you did, between the good a person is and the good they do.

There's an Earth philosophy called Virtue ethics... )
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Today's class had been planned for weeks - necessary, given the busy schedule her guest had back home. This weekend only made it a touch more awkward (and more amusing to anyone who'd met her this weekend).

"Today," Lana said, doing a very good job of keeping a straight face, "We've got another Jedi for a guest. This time, the Jedi Battlemaster, who was raised among the Jedi and stayed with them for quite a while. He also should have quite a lot to say about excelling in battle while remaining, at heart, a pacifist."

"Good afternoon," the Battlemaster said with a grave nod. "I would describe myself less as a pacifist and more as someone who believes violence should be carefully chosen when it's needed. There are other tools that are often better suited. And when violence is used, it should be strategic and precise, rather than broadly applied. Better to take out one leader than destroy an entire planet."

He gestured as he got going. "It's not so much it should be a last resort, although that is often the case, as that it should be a carefully considered resort, and you should be certain you're doing it for the right reasons, rather than acting purely out of emotion."

"You say that as if emotion isn't a reason," Lana argued. He grimaced, and she laughed. "So," she said to the students, "what questions do you have?"
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Lana rushed in at the last minute and nodded to the students. "I'm terribly sorry. I was trying to get another guest for us, but there was a bit of an incident back home. So instead, we've got a history holo from the Jedi about my galaxy. Let's watch it, and you can ask questions."
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Today there was yet another togruta woman at the front of the class with Lana. She smiled and bowed.

"Today for our Jedi guest," Lana announced, "we have the Barsen'thor - a special form of guardian of the Jedi order. Liya grew up among the Jedi and stayed with them until she joined the Alliance."

"And yes," Liya said, still smiling, "I'm aware that the order has flaws, but I believe it starts from a good basis, and we can grow from there. So I'm pleased to answer any questions you may have."
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Today when they arrived, the class would find Lana standing up front with a togruta woman dressed in tunic and armor.

"Welcome," Lana said. "These last few weeks, we'll be doing something slightly different. You've heard me talk about Jedi philosophy; I thought you should hear from some actual Jedi. Or at least those who were brought up with it. This is Ashara; she comes from a long line of Jedi, and was raised in their temple to become a Jedi herself, though she left later to join the Sith, and now walks a bit of her own path. Does that sound right?"

Ashara shrugged and smiled. "It's a bit simplified, but we'd be here for weeks otherwise. Hi, everybody. So I thought I'd just be here and answer any questions you might have. Or at least I can do my best."
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Students were handwavily informed ahead of time, and also with a sign on the door:


Something's come up. Maybe we'll discuss spy cameras on my return. Class is canceled for the day.



[OOC: Sorry, guys. I'm wiped after the stupid procedure.]
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Lana greeted the students when they arrived, then settled back to begin. "We've been talking about the Jedi as a whole, but I shouldn't leave you with the view that they're a monolith. Different Jedi have different views, of course, but different temples have different views and policies, too. The Green Jedi of Corellia are adamant about their attachment to their home planet, for instance, and we've discussed what the Jedi in general think of attachment. They also encourage marriage and raise their own children to some extent.

"Even within the more mainstream Jedi, some temples will refuse to admit anyone over a certain age, usually about five or ten, whereas others will teach anyone no matter how late they come."

She smiled. "There are even different versions of the Jedi Code, though perhaps we'll leave that for a class of its own. For now, let's discuss to what extent having a central authority - in this case, the Jedi Council - is beneficial to maintaining conformity, and to what extent letting separate groups govern themselves is preferable."
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"Welcome back to yet another week," Lana said, leaning against her desk. "This week, I'd like to investigate something that's controversial among the Jedi of my era - attachments. We've touched on it before, in regards to the line in the code about passion, but it's been the subject of much debate whether or not Jedi should be permitted families, marriages, children, and so forth.

"Now, when you consider that Force sensitivity does tend to run in families, you can understand that outright forbidding children is somewhat counterproductive to your order. Nevertheless, it's rather frowned upon to have and raise children as a Jedi. Similarly, marriages are rather strictly overseen to ensure they're in compliance with the Code. Why do you think that might be, and how would you go about it if you were on the Jedi Council?"

This should be fun. She would absolutely tape this and bring it back home.
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"I hope you all had a good holiday," Lana said, smiling. "I found it quite relaxing, and the venue was beautiful." She turned thoughtful. "I have wondered in the past if there's something to lovely places giving rise to more pacifist philosophies, whereas in harsher climes you get...well, Korriban's a desert." She shook herself. "Perhaps another week. For this week, I thought we'd discuss something else."

She pulled her weapon from her waist. "This is a lightsaber. Jedi and Sith both use them." She ignited it (carefully away from everything). It's a deadly weapon, adored and feared throughout the galaxy. It's an accepted truth that you must be at least a little Force sensitive to wield one, although I've found that some others on this island have abilities that will also do. Regardless, it's a traditional weapon of the Jedi, and all are trained to some extent to use it, whether they go on to focus on warfare or not. So, why do you think that is? What is it about the Jedi that makes them eager to use any weapon at all, and what specifically about this one? Do you think the code as we've gone over it is necessarily pacifist? Let's discuss it."
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"Today we're doing a very Jedi thing," Lana said. "Meditation." She smiled wryly at them. "Anyone who won't find this useful, feel free to head out and find your own ways of coping. Otherwise, please sit, get comfortable, and let's begin."

She settled on the floor. "This will be all about recognizing and releasing your feelings. Which we could probably use a bit of."

She set up her holocomm in front of her and turned it on, showing a smiling Togruta woman. "Talk us through it, Barsen'thor."
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"This week's line is the last of the Jedi code," Lana announced. "This one's a bit more specific to Jedi, and I don't know if it will make much sense to non-Force users. 'There is no death, there is the Force'."

She thought of how to explain it. "It's a fact in my galaxy that some Force users transcend death and exist as spirits in the Force. But more than that, it's a philosophy that since the Force is a part of everything and everybody, nothing truly dies, merely becomes something different. The Force exists regardless of the forms it's in."

She shrugged. "How would you interpret that in your own beliefs, and is it applicable to them? Let's discuss metaphysics."

Did she sound excited? She was absolutely excited.
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"Welcome back," Lana greeted them. "We're back on a different line this week, one that I have a bit less trouble with, if we're being honest." Look, she couldn't help it; she was big on passion. "'There is no chaos, there is harmony'. Now there's a few ways of looking at this one," she said, excited.

"One is, well, much the same as the others - something to work toward. Work to make things more harmonious, more in tune with each other. It's certainly a valid goal. Organize yourself, organize your world. Less in a sense of making them adhere to rigid principles and more in a sense of making everything work together. It's easier to understand things and control them if you can get them to form a harmonious whole." Which might or might not be what the Jedi meant. She was doing her best here.

"Another way of looking at it is that there actually is no chaos - if you can understand the world, understand yourself, you will see the harmony in it. No matter how chaotic something may appear at first, everything has its own harmony if you can only see it."

She grinned. "Personally, I think both views are worthwhile, but which would you take to heart, if either? And how would you work towards it?"
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"Another week, another line of the Jedi code," Lana announced cheerfully. "There is no passion, there is serenity. I'll admit I had to ask a Jedi how 'emotion versus peace' and 'passion versus serenity' were different. Apparently the first one is more about inner peace and this one is more about direction and allowing outside distractions."

She shrugged. "So, first of all, is that what you get from it? How would you interpret it differently? Apart from that, how do you feel about it? Or is feeling about it at all contrary to its directive? If you interpret the two lines differently, would you prefer to follow one and not the other? Or are both of them important? How would you go about following this one, if you would?"
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"Welcome back." Lana smiled and nodded. "Today is the second day of the Jedi code, since the first seemed to go well. 'There is no ignorance, there is knowledge'. This one generally has more agreed-upon interpretations than the last. Knowledge does away with ignorance, and is something to be sought after. While I am attempting to have you draw your own conclusions, and I encourage it, I must say this is my personal favourite line. I'm a fan of learning."

She was a nerd.

"First, do you agree with that interpretation, or do you have another? Then, do you agree with it? If so, how would you go about following it and embodying it? If not, make your case - how would you act or react in spite of this? Or would you simply ignore it?"

She nodded at them to begin.
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"Welcome back," Lana told her students. "I thought first I'd talk a bit about who the Jedi are and why we're studying them." Well, apart from the island's oddity. "The Jedi are an order of beings in my galaxy that follow the philosophy we'll be discussing in the use of the Force, which is the life force and being of everything in the universe. If you'd like to know more about their culture specifically, Dean Skywalker is a Jedi master, and would know more about that than I would, but I've lived and worked with a number of Jedi for years, and I hope I'll manage to do them justice.

"When I taught Sith philosophy, we went through the code a line at a time, so I thought we'd start that way with the Jedi code as well. The first line is, 'There is no emotion, there is peace'." In my experience, it means different things to different Jedi, unsurprisingly." Some more healthy than others, but she was trying not to judge. Too much.

"So, as the basis for a code of living, what would that mean to you?" she asked. "And what do you think of it - would it work for you, or not? How would you go about following it?"
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"Well," Lana began. "This is a bit awkward. You see, I had planned to teach another semester of Sith Philosophy, but I put in the information for this class at a time when I was not quite myself. So instead, this is meant to be Jedi Philosophy. Which I do have some experience with, but have never exactly followed myself. So I imagine we're all in for an interesting class."

She spread her hands. "Still, we'll make do. So, let us begin with the standard first-week exercise: let me know your names, where you're from, and let's begin with what you know about the Jedi and what you hope to learn from this class."

She nodded to the first student to start.
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"Welcome to our final class, everybody." Lana smiled at the students. "It's been lovely to teach you all this term, and I hope to see you again for the next one. I was hoping to bring you all to my current home planet to meet other Force users, but I couldn't quite get the portals in time, so instead we'll do an exercise. I'd like for each of you to come up with your own philosophy. Take what you've learned so far, accept or reject it, and explain your choices."

She leaned back against the desk. "I look forward to seeing what you each come up with."
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"Welcome back, everybody," Lana said cheerfully as they filed in. "Today we'll be looking at one of the many contradictions in Sith philosophy as it's practiced. You might guess from things we've discussed so far that traditional Sith outlooks are somewhat stagnant and mired in the past." She shrugged. "You would, to some extent, be absolutely correct."

She smiled ruefully. "There is an entire sphere of Sith learning and influence devoted entirely to the keeping of ancient Sith knowledge, and another devoted to keeping viewpoints from changing too much. However, it is also traditional - although not necessary - for apprentices to overthrow and supplant their masters, and the philosophy of strength and individuality as paramount does tend to lead to...well, ideally change, suboptimally chaos.

"Where do you think these contradictions come from? Are they inherent in the philosophy, or simply due to the nature of sentient beings? How would you resolve them?"
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Lana greeted the class calmly, despite the tinsel caught in her hair. Even the Force hadn't been able to get it all out.

"Today I thought we'd talk about something a little different," she began. "For the most part, I've been presenting aspects of Sith philosophy to you that might be positive or negative, or have aspects of both, and I've been doing my best not to be judgmental. Today I would like to present to you an aspect of Sith beliefs that, while it follows logically from the basics of the philosophy, is absolutely not to be followed."

She crossed her arms. "The belief that the strong should lead is admirable, although the meaning of that strength is debatable. However, what it has led to in the Sith Empire, and what is only recently being changed, is the belief that only Sith are strong, only Sith deserve to rule. Practically, this has led to non-Force users largely being relegated to second place, and non-human and non-Sith species being treated as lesser beings. So, what we should discuss, rather than debating if this is a good thing, is how this may have come about, how to work through it as a culture to learn better, and if you see any aspects of this in your own cultures and how you can work through them."

She paused. "Preferably not by attempting a violent coup." Malgus.
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Students had been sent an email, and would find the same message on the door if they showed up:

Even Sith need dentist appointments. Class is cancelled for today.



[Sorry, guys. Method non-RP?]
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Lana greeted the students with a smile. "This weekend is Homecoming, so I thought it might be interesting to tell you a bit about my home. Or at least where I grew up. It should give you an insight into Sith philosophy to learn about the Academy.

"I was brought there when I was young; that's often what happens. Some Sith aren't discovered until later in life, particularly if they live somewhere out of the way or don't have much contact with other Sith, or historically if they're not pureblood Sith or human. Conversely, some who are born into Sith families are trained by them and sent to the Academy later. Obviously, it's easier to learn more the earlier you start, but some of the more powerful Sith I know only began later in life. More importantly for the Empire's purposes, it's easier to control what people believe if you indoctrinate them at a young age."

Lana shrugged. "Which isn't to say that's necessarily bad or good. It's simply a fact. And learning what you need to do can be a lifesaver; the Korriban Academy has an extremely high attrition rate, and among those who do survive, there's a thriving market for cybernetic body parts. But those who make it through are strong and capable, and when you're at war, that's what you need."

She nodded to the students. "So, what are the pros and cons of this method, do you think? What changes if any would you make, if it were up to you?"
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Lana rushed in at the last minute to class. "Apologies. I was urgently needed at home. Apparently setting up a government involves a ridiculous amount of meetings." She grimaced. "I haven't had a chance to set up coursework for today, so why don't we discuss that? With your knowledge so far of the Sith, how do you expect Sith governments and meetings go?"


[Semi-method RP. It took way too long to vote today.]
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Lana had turned the collar on her cape down but was otherwise unfazed by it. There was a reason for that.

She grinned at the students as they all presumably showed up similarly clothed. "Since the island has an interesting idea of fashion today, I thought I'd go it one step further and discuss Sith fashion today."

She pulled out her holocomm. "Traditionally, Sith fashion has as one of its goals to intimidate your opponents. Darth Marr's armor is a good example of that. It has spikes that are largely decorative but intimidating, it makes him look even larger - and he was not a small man - and it hides his face with a mask. There were numerous rumors about that mask and what he might look like underneath, which fueled both his mystique and the intimidation."

She switched to another picture. "The Dread Masters used elaborate golden masks that were themselves designed to be terrifying, and their robes both repeated the patterns in those masks and matched each other, showing them to be a united front while each frightening in their own right."

She shrugged. "There are as many forms of Sith armor as there are of Sith. And a lot of them have capes, too." She twitched her own. "I've only got the one holocomm, but I've sent a catalogue to each of your phones. Take a look. What so rt of armor would you want to have? Would you have a cape or not? Let's discuss the utility of each of your choices."
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"I hope you all enjoyed your holiday," Lana said, smiling. "I thought today we might ease back into things with a discussion. There are debates among the Sith, as with most other groups I know, as to the importance of preserving traditions, versus growing and adapting. A few years ago, the Sith Empire faced a threat from a Sith lord that decided the Empire wasn't changing fast enough, and that the best way to get it to do so wasa to take it over and force it to.

"So, do you think forcing people to change works? How do you preserve the past and work toward the future? Should you do both? Should you prioritize one over the other? Let's discuss it."
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Class today had been advised to meet in the Danger Shop and wear sturdy clothing. When they arrived and walked in, they would find themselves on a wide plasteel porch beyond which was a garden. The plants in it probably looked a little odd to Earth-born students, but some were clearly planted in rows, while others grew wild. The scene was overcast.

"Today I thought we'd engage in a popular Sith pastime," Lana said. "Gardening. Some people are surprised to find how engaging Sith find this practice, but honestly, it involves destroying weeds and pests, wrestling your plants under control, and getting things to look precisely how you want them."

She had a feeling Nell might object to the Sith approach to gardening. She hadn't even bothered to ask if they could help with her greenhouse.

"It also, at least on Dromund Kaas, involves actively fighting the planet itself." She gestured past the garden to the jungle around them. "Occasionally literally. Gardening on the Sith homeworld is an act of defiance. I haven't programmed any hostile wildlife in today, though. If you'd like it, let me know. I also haven't programmed in the incessant rain and lightning. You're welcome."

She opened a crate at the edge of the porch. "We've got tools here, and holos of the plants you want to keep and the beneficial insects. Anything else, get rid of. If a plant has bad leaves or sections, prune it. Let's see how much of our aggression we can channel productively, and how much of an insight this gives you into Sith philosophy."
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Students had been handwavily informed, and there was a note on the door if they got there:

Apologies for the disruption; class is canceled today.



[OOC: Sorry; cat is limping, have to go to the vet and will be useless until then.]
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This morning, there were two other people up front with Lana, and she stopped speaking with them to welcome the class when they arrived. Neither of them was human, and both of them had two lightsabers strapped to their waists.

She waved at the man with the light grey skin and tattoos and scars. His possibly alarming appearance was somewhat mitigated by the fact he was about the same height as Lana, and while muscular was skinny. Also he was doing his best to look friendly and approachable, for whatever that was worth. "This is Arallt. He was trained as a Sith, but not until he was an adult, and he takes a very different approach to it than most. Also he's my boss, so please be polite," she added with a smirk that he met with a laugh. She indicated the woman that by virtue of her blue and white patterned montrals was taller than both of them. "This is Ashara. She was raised Jedi, learned the ways of the Sith later, and now follows her own way." Ashara bowed to them and smiled at Libby if she was there. I thought you might all benefit from the other outlooks."

They all pulled up chairs, and Lana encouraged the students (and any guests joining them) to do the same. "Let's talk."
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The classroom was back to normal today, and Lana nodded as they came in. "Today we're going to talk about one of the central tenets of the Sith philosophy: conflict. The Sith observed that in nature, there is conflict, and the strong survive and get stronger, and the species as a whole is improved. This led them to believe that conflict was central to improvement - conflict inspires growth, conflict brings knowledge. Without conflict, life stagnates."

She spread her hands. "How do you feel about that? Is it true in nature? Is it true in personal or galactic relations? Should it be? Let me hear your agreements and disagreements and the reasons behind them."
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"Welcome back, everybody." Today the desks had been moved aside to clear a spot on the floor. "Today we're going to start with one of the first things every Sith learns. It's also popular in a number of other philosophies both in my galaxy and here on Earth - meditation."

She gestured to them all to join her. "Traditionally, you kneel." She demonstrated. "But if you find sitting more comfortable, you can do that instead. Comfort is not a consideration when learning to be Sith; if you're too comfortable, you're probably doing something wrong. But I'm not teaching you to be Sith, so it's up to you if you would rather experience it more realistically or simply conceptualize it.

"Some versions of meditation I've looked into, the idea is to be comfortable because you want to forget your body, to look outside of it, to not center yourself. Sith meditation is more about connecting with yourself, knowing everything about yourself, and then connecting specifically to your emotions. Focusing them, enhancing them, so you can use them later. Traditionally, focusing on your discomfort, your anger. Using it to gather up the Force, to make it do what you need it to. It needs to be a state that you can fall into at a moment's notice."

She smiled. "Again, I don't expect you to do that. Even those who are learning to be Sith can take weeks or months to refine their meditation enough for it to be useful. But if you're comfortable with that, try it. Ask me questions if you have them. If not, let's talk about why not. Let's discuss why you feel uncomfortable with the idea, and what an alternative might be."
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"Good morning, everybody." Lana sat on the floor and encouraged them to do the same, although the chairs were still there if they preferred.

"Last summer term I taught the Sith code, and I thought it might be interesting to explore a bit more about it. Those of you who weren't in the class, the Sith code is the basis for and reflection of Sith beliefs:

"Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me.


"Now, I'm here to teach you that's the truth or to convince you of it. What I hope to do is to show you that it is a truth that some in my galaxy believe, and to pull it apart, talk about some ways it's been used, and discuss the good and bad that can come of it.

"However, for today, what we're going to do is introduce ourselves, naturally, and I've brought coffee." She waved at the cups of black coffee and packets of sugar and creamer she'd gotten at the Perk. "I'd also like to hear a bit about your personal philosophy of your life and goals, and if you have any initial thoughts on the Sith code."

She nodded at the first student to start.
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"Welcome to our last class," Lana said as everybody filed in. "I'll be teaching more next semester, but I hope you've found it interesting so far, at least. Oh, and Libby, could I see you after class, please? I have a proposal for you.

"Anyway, up until now we've been analyzing each line on its own, hunting through them for meaning and picking them apart. Today we get to discuss the code as a whole."

The whiteboard read:
Peace is a lie. There is only Passion.
Through Passion, I gain Strength.
Through Strength, I gain Power.
Through Power, I gain Victory.
Through Victory my chains are Broken.
The Force shall free me.


"I think we've all had time to adequately form an opinion on each line. The question is, does focussing on them as a whole change your opinion of them in isolation? What is your view of the entire thing? Let's discuss it."

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