Ethics [Tuesday, March 16]

[sith_happened]

"Love is patient, love is kind," Anakin began, looking down at his notes, then snorted and made the universal symbol for "blah, blah, blah" with his hand.

He might be a soft touch on the subject, but he was hoping no one in the room would call him on it. Given that his daughter was in the room, the likelihood of that not happening were ones not even a Corellian would bet on.

"In my version of the Jedi Order, we were taught that in order to maintain the proper distance necessary to negotiate impartially across our galaxy, we were to strive for serenity, not passion. To be Jedi, we should not know anger, or hatred, or love. When we were very small children, we were raised in the Temple so that family loyalty or planetary allegiance would not get in the way of following the will of the Force."

He crossed his arms over his chest, the ring on his left hand gleaming under the light, and glanced around the room. "Is this an unreasonable standard to hold someone to? Can you stop someone from falling in love? What do you think the Masters of my Order were trying to prevent?"

Comments

Sign in [3/16]

[sith_happened]

Like you're in looooooooooooooooove.

Re: Sign in [3/16]

[likes_scoundrels]

Leia Organa

Listen to the lecture [3/16]

[sith_happened]

Their cracked-out dogma kind of explains why Anakin is so mentally adjusted, only not, huh?

Re: Listen to the lecture [3/16]

[likes_scoundrels]

Leia was totally rolling her eyes at the lecture. Her father had been married twice and had three children. She soooo wasn't buying the "blah blah blah" attitude.

Re: Listen to the lecture [3/16]

[therewaslife]

Bod decided the Jedi way sounded very isolated and lonely. His upbringing might not have been the most normal but he'd known love and thought he was better for it.

Re: Listen to the lecture [3/16]

[svetocha-blooms.livejournal.com]

Dru was only half listening to the lecture, mostly she was still stuck in her head, the events of the previous week stuck on repeat.

Re: Listen to the lecture [3/16]

[wantstocheer.livejournal.com]

Claire thought the Jedi sounded pretty miserable.

Re: Listen to the lecture [3/16]

[youcantfollow.livejournal.com]

Griff so wished he knew how to manage that without just being a jerk to people he actually cared about.

Re: Listen to the lecture [3/16]

[willbethenight.livejournal.com]

Bruce couldn't help but notice that some of that sounded like the future he was training for. Except he'd have an allegiance to his city, and connections with Alfred.

Also, he would absolutely have sex. But not love.

Answer the discussion questions [3/16]

[sith_happened]

"Is the Jedi code of not knowing anger, hatred or love an unreasonable standard to hold someone to? Can you stop someone from falling in love? What do you think the Masters of the Order were trying to prevent?"

Re: Answer the discussion questions [3/16]

[likes_scoundrels]

"Love and compassion go hand in hand," Leia pointed out. "If you don't know love, how can you be expected to feel compassion for those who are suffering?" She wasn't going to touch anger or hatred today; she was still too shaken by her Sith Lady self falling into that trap. "As for stopping someone from falling in love, it's probably easier to stop a Hutt from eating."

Re: Answer the discussion questions [3/16]

[bitchprince]

"I'd say these things are hard to contain in their entirety."

... Sure. Ask the severely repressed, emotionally retarded British prince about feelings.

"But restraint will keep you from showing unnecessary weakness. You can hardly serve on as a warrior if you can't keep yourself from lashing out or crying or something."

All right, so Uther Pendragon might have been able to find some common ground with these Jedi masters.

Re: Answer the discussion questions [3/16]

[therewaslife]

"If people have the ability to love or feel, then there's always going to be a chance that it happens," said Bod thoughtfully. "If the capacity is there, then the chance is there. Asking someone not to use their emotions would be akin to asking them to ignore a part of themselves. It'd be both difficult to do and leave them with an isolated existence. It seems the Masters of the Order were trying to prevent any distraction but humans are susceptible to distractions even with the best of training."

Re: Answer the discussion questions [3/16]

[svetocha-blooms.livejournal.com]

"I think it's asking someone to ignore a whole range of experiences that could possibly make them a better person," Dru replied. "On the other hand though, if you wind up loving someone and the overall situation goes south, that person, or the family you've made becomes a target. And then you might do something stupid to protect them."

Like leading the vampire away from your daughter so he can kill you instead.

Re: Answer the discussion questions [3/16]

[wantstocheer.livejournal.com]

"I think it's totally unreasonable," Claire said. "Emotions aren't logical. You can control how you act on them, but you can't control actually having them."

Re: Answer the discussion questions [3/16]

[bitchy_smurf]

"If there is a way to avoid experiencing human emotion while in a human body," Illyria said flatly, if a bit wistfully, "I have not yet discovered it. One can, however, choose not to base one's actions on such things."

Like she did. Always. Yes.

Shut up.

Re: Answer the discussion questions [3/16]

[pastmewrong.livejournal.com]

"Can't stop people from feeling," Effy said simply. "Just doesn't work that way." As much as she wished it did, sometimes. If she could completely cut herself off from all that, she'd have done it already.

"They want to stop it, because love, caring about people... Can make you weak."

Re: Answer the discussion questions [3/16]

[need-no-moon.livejournal.com]

"I guess they could have wanted to prevent someone from losing control because of their emotions," Jacob was probably working a certain angle with his answer. "I don't think just ignoring it or telling someone they can't feel a certain way is going to help. Except maybe to have people resent them for it."

Re: Answer the discussion questions [3/16]

[willbethenight.livejournal.com]

"They were trying to prevent people with swords that can cut through anything and the powers of a god from making irrational decisions with all of the weapons at their disposable. It makes some sense," Bruce said. "And I don't think it's unreasonable. A person can leave the Jedi if they're not up to the standards, right? If they can't manage to follow the rules, they don't have to be in the club."

Re: Answer the discussion questions [3/16]

[noteviltwin.livejournal.com]

"You can't stop people from having feelings and still keep them, y'know, people," Andy said. "You need to control your feelings, sure, but you can't just deny they exist."

Talk to the TA [3/16]

[sith_happened]

Hello, Griff!

Re: Talk to the TA [3/16]

[youcantfollow.livejournal.com]

Griff was still staring at Anakin and feeling rather unwilling to participate in this conversation. Maybe next week he'd feel comfortable again.

Talk to Anakin [3/16]

[sith_happened]

No, Leia, he won't tell you your mother's name today, either.

OOC

[sith_happened]

I was up with my daughter until midnight trying to get her to sleep, and am visiting my parents, so expect SP answers from me. Please feel free to reply to other students--it's a discussion based class. I'd love to check in and have an email box that exploded.

...not, however, an exploded classroom. It is important to clarify with ya'll, omg.

Re: OOC

[likes_scoundrels]

You never let us have any fun.