http://glasses-justice.livejournal.com/ ([identity profile] glasses-justice.livejournal.com) wrote in [community profile] fandomhigh2010-02-02 03:02 pm
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Concepts of Justice and The Law [Period 4, Class #5, Feb 2]

"This week," Alex said, as she leaned against her desk, "we're changing the syllabus up a little, and jumping ahead to victimless crimes. It seemed like a better fit here. We'll get to civil liberties later on in the term."

With that, she scooped up a piece of chalk and began writing, continuing her lecture as she did so. "John Stuart Mill wrote an essay called On Liberty. It was his philosophical principles on which he felt government should be formed. In it, he lays out something which has come to be known as the Harm Principle. And that is ..."

She stopped and underlined the sentence she had been writing, then stepped away so the students could read it.

That the only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised over any member of a civilized community, against his will, is to prevent harm to others.


"Very simple," she said. "Laws should only protect against harm. Mill felt that the government should not have the right to restrict any behavior that wasn't directly tied to harm. Mill was therefore against something we know as the Offense Principle: the idea that certain rules should be made to protect citizens from themselves, or for the good of society as a whole. Detractors of the Offense Principle call these charges 'victimless crimes.'

"To give you a clearer example, let's talk about drug abuse. Some believe that any citizen should have the right to place any substance in his own body; he has consented, so it is no longer the government's concern in any way. Others say an addict is no longer able to freely consent, and that the government should intervene on his behalf. And some will argue that the cost is too large to society as a whole: that drug addicts are unlikely to be functioning members of society, and in some cases, are more likely to be violent when seeking a fix.

Alex lifted her shoulders and set the chalk down again. "I specified 'addiction' and 'abuse' because it's easier to see the harm. It would be difficult to say that recreational drug use is acceptable, but addiction is against the law. How does society determine addiction? There's no clear test. And today's recreational user could easily be tomorrow's addict. The line blurs."

"Should drug use be legal? What about prostitution, or gambling? Does the government have the right to enforce laws not predicated on direct harm?"
likes_scoundrels: (This is my serious face)

Re: Discussion - Gambling, Prostitution, and Drug Use - JST05

[personal profile] likes_scoundrels 2010-02-02 09:52 pm (UTC)(link)
Leia had fairly strong opinions about drugs, since she'd seen their effects at her last school. "Drugs are a tool of self-destruction," she said. "If someone wants to end their own life, that's one thing, but when they offer drugs to others who don't realize what they're getting into or engage in any behavior that risks harm to others, that's another entirely. It's dangerous and should be illegal."
momslilassassin: ([pos] heh. i laugh at you)

Re: Discussion - Gambling, Prostitution, and Drug Use - JST05

[personal profile] momslilassassin 2010-02-02 11:26 pm (UTC)(link)
"What if they smuggle them for a Hutt?" asked Ben, the little shit.
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Re: Discussion - Gambling, Prostitution, and Drug Use - JST05

[personal profile] likes_scoundrels 2010-02-02 11:51 pm (UTC)(link)
You suuuuuuuuuuuuck

Leia made a face that told exactly what she thought of that career path. "That's utterly contemptible," she said.
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Re: Discussion - Gambling, Prostitution, and Drug Use - JST05

[personal profile] momslilassassin 2010-02-03 12:00 am (UTC)(link)
Ben hid a little smirk behind his hand. "Good to know," he said neutrally.
likes_scoundrels: (I have a bad feeling about this...)

Re: Discussion - Gambling, Prostitution, and Drug Use - JST05

[personal profile] likes_scoundrels 2010-02-03 01:30 am (UTC)(link)
Leia eyed him suspiciously. "What are you up to?" she demanded.
momslilassassin: ([pos] trust me)

Re: Discussion - Gambling, Prostitution, and Drug Use - JST05

[personal profile] momslilassassin 2010-02-03 04:22 am (UTC)(link)
"Nothing," Ben, Jedi Master of Lying His Ass Off, assured her. "I was just brushing up on my remembrance of Alderaanian law."
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Re: Discussion - Gambling, Prostitution, and Drug Use - JST05

[personal profile] likes_scoundrels 2010-02-04 01:53 pm (UTC)(link)
"As long as the person really understands the risk they are taking," Leia said, "and doesn't put others at risk with their actions."