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She walks in slowly, writes COMPLIANCE and OBEDIENCE on the board, and then pulls a chair out an sits.

All right, gang. Sorry about yesterday...now we're behind. Let's go.

We were talking about the difference between obedience and compliance...or if they are the same. We've brought moral codes into this discussion, thanks to Jack, as well as conditioned behavior.

Because of my personal life lately, I'd like to step away from your comfort zones and let's talk about "trusted professionals"...with the exception of me-your-teacher...why might you obey a person in authority such as a doctor, a lawyer, law enforcement, a scientist, a boss...what do all these positions have in common? Let's explore.

*She downs two pills with some water, sits back, and waits for someone to speak*

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Er, no, not really... just kinda leaves room for people to get...to get fed up and start to rebel.

Doesn't that first assume that the people in authority are going to ask you to do something you don't want to do.

*glances at CJ* Sorry if I stepped on your line there.

No problem, Chip. Let's run with it...even though it kind of moves us into next week.

Rebellion. Tell me about it.

Rebellion. The most useless use of energy ever. Rebellion without a point, just for the sake of rebellion, is plain old dumb. Rebellion *against* something, by definition, means that you're using most of your effort against an opposing force.

::shrugs:: 'Cept for maybe this school, that's pretty much been my experience.

::thinks:: Though I guess, maybe sometimes it's kinda...kinda the revese of that? Like, maybe you could get so used to them orderin' you to do what you don't want... that everything they order becomes somethin' you don't want to do, whether or not you really wanted to or not... or something... ::blinks:: Did that make any sense?

(Sorry, fumble fingers.)

Oh, yeah, that makes sense. Because basically, what it turns into is that you don't want to do ANYTHING that they want you to do. It's not defying individual orders, it's defying the power structure that claims it has the authority to MAKE those orders.

::nods:: Exactly. I guess it's.. it's the same as following orders becomin' conditioned behavior. After a while of being ordered around by an authority that's against what you want, a being could get conditioned to *not* follow orders too.

And, if someone's brain is *really* twisted, that could be what they wanted in the first place. You'd be obediently disobedient.

::thinks that that relates *way* too much to her life::

Yeah, it's probably just as easy to get a disobedient being to do what you want as it is an obedient person. Both are definitly predictable.

You two are so on today. So, is that obedience or compliance, do you think?

Maybe... inadvertant obediance? Is that even possible?

Yeah, that's the closest thing I can think of too. I mean, your technically not *obeying* so it's not obedience... but it's technically not that you..you agreed or *want* to do what they had you do either, so it's not exactly compliance... It'd all be unintentional on your part...

You're being manipulated into doing something. Somehow, it's sicker that you don't know the reasons behind what you're doing. Hating the people that force you to do something is one thing. Loving them is just... wrong.

::nods:: Yeah, it's like...like spending your entire life rebelling against a mind-frelling government only to find out cycles later that they manipulated that rebellion against you and ended up making you do exactly what they wanted and turned you into a weapon for their frelling Greater Good.

::blinks:: Not that, uh, that I'd know anything about that...

But, yeah, doing that to...to somebody that you supposedly love? That's just... just frelled up.

I think you've brought us back to influence and manipulation, Chiana. So what can we say about manipulation and obedience?

Well... ::thinks:: Manipulation or..or influence seems to be the major part of obedience. It sounds like, from everybody else, that you obey people with status and influence because your sires or the...the culture around you influenced you into behaving that way. Or you rebel, because your sires behaved one way and..and you wanna act differently, which means they're still influencing you. And if you decide to go against all that, there's still the chance that your..your being manipulated into doin' what they wanted in the first place..

::frowns:: That...that's kinda depressing. Makes it sound like you never have, uh, a choice.

*Smiles softly* Now you're getting it Chiana. Who's next?

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