Speech Comm

[prof-cregg.livejournal.com]

She walks in slowly, writes COMPLIANCE and OBEDIENCE on the board, and then pulls a chair out an sits.

All right, gang. Sorry about yesterday...now we're behind. Let's go.

We were talking about the difference between obedience and compliance...or if they are the same. We've brought moral codes into this discussion, thanks to Jack, as well as conditioned behavior.

Because of my personal life lately, I'd like to step away from your comfort zones and let's talk about "trusted professionals"...with the exception of me-your-teacher...why might you obey a person in authority such as a doctor, a lawyer, law enforcement, a scientist, a boss...what do all these positions have in common? Let's explore.

*She downs two pills with some water, sits back, and waits for someone to speak*

Comments

[miss-monochrome.livejournal.com]

::mutters:: 'Cause if you don't obey authority they find a way to frell with you and force you into obeying?

[prof-cregg.livejournal.com]

Does that leave any room for trust or respect, Chiana?

[miss-monochrome.livejournal.com]

Er, no, not really... just kinda leaves room for people to get...to get fed up and start to rebel.

[anextimeagent.livejournal.com]

Doesn't that first assume that the people in authority are going to ask you to do something you don't want to do.

*glances at CJ* Sorry if I stepped on your line there.

[prof-cregg.livejournal.com]

No problem, Chip. Let's run with it...even though it kind of moves us into next week.

Rebellion. Tell me about it.

[miss-monochrome.livejournal.com]

::shrugs:: 'Cept for maybe this school, that's pretty much been my experience.

::thinks:: Though I guess, maybe sometimes it's kinda...kinda the revese of that? Like, maybe you could get so used to them orderin' you to do what you don't want... that everything they order becomes somethin' you don't want to do, whether or not you really wanted to or not... or something... ::blinks:: Did that make any sense?

[http://users.livejournal.com/sydney_bristow_/]

"Well a doctor knows whats good for you, so if they tell you something most of the time you should listen." Sydney says, coming in a bit late, her overly large sweatshirt was barely hiding her growing belly, soon everyone would know she was pregnant, but now at four months it was hard to hide anyway.

[auroryborealis.livejournal.com]

Rory tentatively steps in the room, and hands Professor Cregg a note. It says:

I apologize for my absence yesterday - I was detained in the clinic due to a head injury, and will be happy to make up the work at a later date.

She takes a seat, running her hand over her bandage, and does a quick scan to see if he had decided to show up for class.

Seeing no sign of Huntzberger, she decides to speak up. "These are people we expect to help us. From birth, we've be told that people like doctors and law enforcement are there to take care of us."

[anextimeagent.livejournal.com]

(Sorry, fumble fingers.)

Oh, yeah, that makes sense. Because basically, what it turns into is that you don't want to do ANYTHING that they want you to do. It's not defying individual orders, it's defying the power structure that claims it has the authority to MAKE those orders.

[wannabelawyer.livejournal.com]

I think part of it is because we know that in order to have gotten to those positions of authority, people have to go through training. Sometimes a lot of it. So we figure they must be worth listening to, at least on some levels.

[miss-monochrome.livejournal.com]

::nods:: Exactly. I guess it's.. it's the same as following orders becomin' conditioned behavior. After a while of being ordered around by an authority that's against what you want, a being could get conditioned to *not* follow orders too.

[anextimeagent.livejournal.com]

And, if someone's brain is *really* twisted, that could be what they wanted in the first place. You'd be obediently disobedient.

[anextimeagent.livejournal.com]

Rebellion. The most useless use of energy ever. Rebellion without a point, just for the sake of rebellion, is plain old dumb. Rebellion *against* something, by definition, means that you're using most of your effort against an opposing force.

[miss-monochrome.livejournal.com]

::thinks that that relates *way* too much to her life::

Yeah, it's probably just as easy to get a disobedient being to do what you want as it is an obedient person. Both are definitly predictable.

[prof-cregg.livejournal.com]

So if you trust them and feel they have your best interests in mind....that encourages obedience?

[prof-cregg.livejournal.com]

*Looks at note* No problem Rory, I saw you in the clinic. I wasn't here either yesterday.

Ok, so are you saying we are indotrinated from birth to comply with certain individuals more than others...simply based on their social position?

[prof-cregg.livejournal.com]

Excellent, Lindsey...so their level of training inspired respect? Obedience?

[prof-cregg.livejournal.com]

You two are so on today. So, is that obedience or compliance, do you think?

[auroryborealis.livejournal.com]

"More that we inherently trust these people because it's what other people who we trust tell us. My mother has told me to trust doctors - and I do," Rory says with a shrug.

[absolutesnark]

Piper arrives in class, thinking of something to add to the discussion. "I obey authority figures such as the police and doctors because I was taught that they are supposed to help us. It's easy to trust someone meant to help you."

[prof-cregg.livejournal.com]

Ahh...the parents. So if your mother distrusted doctors, do you think you would as well...or would you make your own jdgement based on exerience. I suppose that works conversely and you might grow to distrust doctors despite your mother's guidance. What do you think?

[prof-cregg.livejournal.com]

So because of their social position, you inherantly trust them? What if through their actions te prove untrustworthy?

[auroryborealis.livejournal.com]

"Well," Rory considers, "I know that a lot of time children tend to act extremely in response to their parents. A lot of time, our opinions and attitudes are extremely similar to those of our parents, or else the opposite out of a sort of rebellion. But as we get older and become more aware of our world, we form our own opinions - but the foundation is still there."

[prof-cregg.livejournal.com]

So very true. So why would a child rebel?

[auroryborealis.livejournal.com]

"Perhaps to be different - to feel like they have their own place in a family setting," Rory says thoughtfully. "Or maybe because they simply dislike their parents."