Speech Comm

[prof-cregg.livejournal.com]

She walks in slowly, writes COMPLIANCE and OBEDIENCE on the board, and then pulls a chair out an sits.

All right, gang. Sorry about yesterday...now we're behind. Let's go.

We were talking about the difference between obedience and compliance...or if they are the same. We've brought moral codes into this discussion, thanks to Jack, as well as conditioned behavior.

Because of my personal life lately, I'd like to step away from your comfort zones and let's talk about "trusted professionals"...with the exception of me-your-teacher...why might you obey a person in authority such as a doctor, a lawyer, law enforcement, a scientist, a boss...what do all these positions have in common? Let's explore.

*She downs two pills with some water, sits back, and waits for someone to speak*

Comments

[miss-monochrome.livejournal.com]

::mutters:: 'Cause if you don't obey authority they find a way to frell with you and force you into obeying?

[prof-cregg.livejournal.com]

Does that leave any room for trust or respect, Chiana?

[miss-monochrome.livejournal.com]

Er, no, not really... just kinda leaves room for people to get...to get fed up and start to rebel.

[http://users.livejournal.com/sydney_bristow_/]

"Well a doctor knows whats good for you, so if they tell you something most of the time you should listen." Sydney says, coming in a bit late, her overly large sweatshirt was barely hiding her growing belly, soon everyone would know she was pregnant, but now at four months it was hard to hide anyway.

[prof-cregg.livejournal.com]

So if you trust them and feel they have your best interests in mind....that encourages obedience?

[http://users.livejournal.com/sydney_bristow_/]

"If thats what's good for you, yes"

[auroryborealis.livejournal.com]

Rory tentatively steps in the room, and hands Professor Cregg a note. It says:

I apologize for my absence yesterday - I was detained in the clinic due to a head injury, and will be happy to make up the work at a later date.

She takes a seat, running her hand over her bandage, and does a quick scan to see if he had decided to show up for class.

Seeing no sign of Huntzberger, she decides to speak up. "These are people we expect to help us. From birth, we've be told that people like doctors and law enforcement are there to take care of us."

[prof-cregg.livejournal.com]

*Looks at note* No problem Rory, I saw you in the clinic. I wasn't here either yesterday.

Ok, so are you saying we are indotrinated from birth to comply with certain individuals more than others...simply based on their social position?

[auroryborealis.livejournal.com]

"More that we inherently trust these people because it's what other people who we trust tell us. My mother has told me to trust doctors - and I do," Rory says with a shrug.

[wannabelawyer.livejournal.com]

I think part of it is because we know that in order to have gotten to those positions of authority, people have to go through training. Sometimes a lot of it. So we figure they must be worth listening to, at least on some levels.

[prof-cregg.livejournal.com]

Excellent, Lindsey...so their level of training inspired respect? Obedience?

[wannabelawyer.livejournal.com]

Respect. They've obviously worked to get where they are, so they deserve respect for that. Doesn't mean they'll keep my respect once I've listened to them, but they do get something for being where they are.

[absolutesnark]

Piper arrives in class, thinking of something to add to the discussion. "I obey authority figures such as the police and doctors because I was taught that they are supposed to help us. It's easy to trust someone meant to help you."

[prof-cregg.livejournal.com]

So because of their social position, you inherantly trust them? What if through their actions te prove untrustworthy?

[absolutesnark]

If they proved themselves untrustworthy, I would go to someone I completely trust like my grandmother and she'd probably destroy whoever it was that wronged me or my sisters.

I suppose, also, if they proved untrustworthy, I'd probably have a hard time trusting someone else in the same authoritative position.

[marsheadtilt.livejournal.com]

I've learned through experience that you can't always trust someone based on their position in the community. There are a lot of dirty cops out there.

[prof-cregg.livejournal.com]

Does their behavior justify your disobedience, Miss Mars?

[allie-cameron.livejournal.com]

I think we trust those people because they are trained to help us.

[prof-cregg.livejournal.com]

Is that part of social conditioning, do you think?

[not-an-ex-demon.livejournal.com]

"Bankers are trust-worthy, although they really don't give the return that one ought to get when they hand over all of their money for someone else to spend," Anya interjects.

"It is my experience that bosses are not trustworthy especially demon bosses because in the end they are only out for themselves," she adds. "This is particularly the case when you inform them that you would like to quit and they eviserate your closest friend and co-worker."

[prof-cregg.livejournal.com]

Trustworthy or not, how do you justify disobedience?

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[dbiers.livejournal.com]

"Information, Miss."

Re: 301

[prof-cregg.livejournal.com]

Intriguing...a sharp idea. Run with it...see whose eye you can poke out.

[2ls-in-oneill.livejournal.com]

Jack comes in late with his arm in a sling. He takes a seat and listens until it's his turn. He's waiting for the meds he spent a hlaf an hour looking for to kick-in.

"You should usually obey a doctor because if they kill you you can't come back and spend more money on them. Lawyers want to win because they're lawyers and the more wins you have the more money you can make. Law enforcement can shoot you or put you in jail, scientists... usually know what they're saying. So when someone says not to spit in the temple you probably shouldn't. You're boss? Can have you courtmarshelled/fake deaded. Well there are a bunch of reasons. Including that whoe pesky firing thing.

[prof-cregg.livejournal.com]

*Looks at him, horrified, but says nothing*

So yesterday you said obedience had to do with conditioning and morals, and today you're saying disobedience is tied to money? What is money?