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Ethics, Friday, November 6, 2020

"Let's talk about shame," Anakin said, settling back against his desk. "For you, personally, what actions make you feel that gut-clench of knowing you've done something wrong? And more importantly, how does your society check inappropriate social behavior through use of shame, and what happens when someone refuses to feel shame?"

Anakin had not been watching election results and listening to his wife yell at her computer for almost a week, why would you think that?

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Ashamed of yourself.

Nina Argentum

Illyana Rasputin

Adora

Eleanor Shellstrop

Wei Wuxian

Or feel shame as you tune Anakin out!

Illyana just mostly looked faintly puzzled, like she didn't understand what Professor Skywalker was talking about.

Shame! Can you feel shame? Is your sense of shame over or undeveloped? How do you stop feeling ashamed of yourself? And how to do you make other people feel ashamed of their unhinged behavior?

"I can, like, feel shame," Nina admitted. "But it's not one of those things I'm going to want other people to see me feeling???????"

Anakin nodded. "Being corrected in front of others is always awful," he agreed.

"It's, like, the worst," she agreed, with a delicate sort of shudder. "I try to avoid it!!!!!!!!"

"The way I was raised... the concept of feeling 'shame' was lost fairly quickly," Illyana replied carefully. "There was no 'wrong,' morally-speaking. You do what you must; no more, no less."

"I might feel guilt if my freely-chosen actions cause accidental pain that I did not plan to someone I care about, but not shame. I did it because I thought it was the right thing to do, so why would I feel shame? Shame implies I did something wrong on purpose."

"And you've never done something wrong on purpose?" Anakin asked.

"By my definition of wrong? No," Illyana admitted. "But I'm pretty sure the people involved felt differently, even if they were the ones that escalated the situation."

There were a number of deceased truckers who might claim they didn't deserve to be killed, but 'Yana would firmly assert otherwise.

"I try very hard to think things through before I take actions, because I am aware that I have a temper, and my upbringing leaves my outlook slightly...different. From what most people would consider morally acceptable. But that's not always possible and sometimes you have to make choices. I refuse to feel shame for choices that keep me alive."

'Yana felt guilt. She had a lot of internalized guilt, and lot of (misplaced) guilt over Limbo. But not shame.

"Um..." It'd probably be faster to list off the number of things Adora hadn't been taught to be ashamed of.

Anakin smiled. "Um?" he repeated.

"I'm sorry?" Adora didn't even know why she was apologising.

"Do you have something to share with ma about shame?" Anakin retried.

"I don't like how it makes you feel." Like embarrassment, but so much worse.

"Most people don't," Anakin admitted. "I think that's why it works."

If you'd like to!

"Buuuuuuuuuuuuus Deaaaaaaaaan..............."

That was totally Nina hanging around after class.

Look, her life had been missing Bus Dean's presence.

"Nina," Anakin replied, smiling.

"I," she proclaimed, "am here to bother you!!!!!!!!"

And hope she wasn't actually bothering him.

"And, like, also ask some questions??????"

"As long as you're not distracting me so Prompto can shove the bus into this room through a window, you're not bothering me," Anakin said, grinning. "What are your questions?"

"Weeeeeell," Nina said, shifting a little. "I know, like, that you're teaching Rey so I was.......... kind of wondering if you, maybe, if it's not a problem, had time to teach one more???????????"

"OF course," Anakin said, smiling. "What would you like to learn?"

"Liam gave me his world's version of a lightsaber for my birthday," she said earnestly. "But, like, I don't know how to use a sword........."

She was much better with a bookbelt.

Anakin smiled. "I can help with that."

"You're sure?????????" she said, eagerness mixed with apprehension. "It won't take up too much of your time????????"

"I'm sure," Anakin said, smiling again. "Better to get taught by someone who knows how to use a sword than end up without a hand, right?"

Get used to amputation jokes, Nina.

"I definitely don't want that," she said, making a face. "Though I like to think I know enough about weapons to avoid that sort of mistake!!!!!!!!!"

Anakin tilted his head thoughtfully. "Depends on your opponent, too."

"True," she admitted. "But if I was getting overpowered with a sword, then out would be coming my magic and my bookbelt????????"

"Bookbelt?" Anakin repeated, squinting. "I don't know that weapon."

"I just got it sharpened at the smithery on my world," she said brightly, unlooping her bookbelt from her waist and setting it on the desk.

It... was a bunch of hardback romance novels tightly tied with a belt, Anakin.

But it had been sharpened! Nina's universe worked in strange and mysterious ways!

Anakin blinked. "I don't understand this weapon."

"I hit things with it," she explained. "And it hurts them!!!!!!!!!!!"

Did that help?

Kinda?

"Huh," Anakin said. "Like an axe but books?"

Nina considered her bookbelt.

"Less slashy, more bashy???????" she tried.

... Yes. Even though it had been sharpened.

"So pretty much just like books," Anakin said. "Never tell Rory they can be made into a weapon. She'll rewrite history and tell me that's why she always had fifteen in her backpack in high school."

"I can take a man's head off his shoulders with my bookbelt," Nina said slowly.

She didn't like admitting it, but if he was going to train her then he needed to know that she, ah, was a lot stronger than she looked.

Anakin looked impressed. "Sounds a little messy," he said.

"If you do it with enough force, blood doesn't really get on the books," she said, with a bit of a shrug that was more careless than she felt.

Ew.

"The lightsaber cauterizes instantly," Anakin said.

JUST CALL THE DAMN THING.

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Ethics, Friday, November 6, 2020

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