http://glasses-justice.livejournal.com/ ([identity profile] glasses-justice.livejournal.com) wrote in [community profile] fandomhigh2010-03-09 01:49 pm
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Concepts of Justice and The Law [Period 4, Class #9, Mar 9]

"Justice," Alex began, "is frequently depicted as a pair of balancing scales. If you've been paying attention so far this semester, you probably can see how that would be appropriate. A lot of the fundamentals of justice are, at heart, an elaborate balancing act. When the lines have to be drawn, what do you privilege? Where do you err, in the gray areas? That's something we've been discussing, in one form or another, nearly every week."

"This week, we're going straight to the heart of the matter." Alex pointed to the blackboard, which had a few sentences written on it.

FOURTHLY, all presumptive evidence of felony should be admitted cautiously: for the law holds, that it is better that ten guilty persons escape, than that one innocent suffer.


"This is known as Blackstone's Formulation," Alex said, "although the principle behind it is much older. Sir John Fortescue said much the same a few centuries earlier. The idea here is that, all else being equal, it is better for a judicial system to acquit ten guilty people than to convict one innocent person.

"Obviously, the ideal would be to convict every guilty person and to never convict anyone who was innocent. But that's not realistic. Some accused will confess. Some crimes, you will have clear and undeniable evidence. The rest of the time? You have a great deal of evidence pointing towards that person, while he or she swears innocence.

"It is each society's decision, what to prioritize in that moment. Not all follow Blackstone. Otto von Bismarck said the opposite: better to imprison ten innocent men than to let one guilty go free. Bismarck's country would presumably have less crime, but I'll say, I still wouldn't want to live there.

"If society decides that it's better to acquit the innocent than convict the guilty, then the burden of proof is on the prosecutors. The government has to prove, within a reasonable doubt, that this person is guilty. Reasonable doubt doesn't mean no doubt at all. If aliens might have abducted this person and replaced him with a body double, that's certainly an alternate theory of the crime, but it's hardly a plausible one."

At least, for places that weren't Fandom.

"No one is found innocent in a court of law: the verdicts are Guilty or Not Guilty, and sometimes the latter means 'we're not sure.' If you're not convinced, as a jury member, you should vote Not Guilty. Put the burden on the prosecutors. Make us do our job.

"By contrast, if you're living in Bismarck's world, you have to prove your innocence, if you're charged with a crime. Proving a negative is difficult. Find a good alibi, find a good attorney, and good luck."

Alex clasped her hands together, in front of herself. "So. That's this week's topic. Reasonable doubt, and balancing those scales. Do you follow Blackstone, or Bismarck?"

Re: Talk to the TAs - JST09

[identity profile] blondecanary.livejournal.com 2010-03-11 12:05 am (UTC)(link)
Dinah had to grin back, knowing who the author was. "Tony knows hi-her. He could probably get your copies signed."
glacial_queen: (Smiling at someone)

Re: Talk to the TAs - JST09

[personal profile] glacial_queen 2010-03-11 12:19 am (UTC)(link)
"Really?" Karla clapped her hands quietly. "That would be astral! Did Tony ever tell you how they met?"

Re: Talk to the TAs - JST09

[identity profile] blondecanary.livejournal.com 2010-03-11 12:21 am (UTC)(link)
"Um." Dinah flashed to that, then very quickly clamped down on the thought and said with a straight face, "No. Although I think she's friends with his pal Vicki the cop." Or something. "It might have been on a police case." Almost true!
glacial_queen: (Kneeclasp)

Re: Talk to the TAs - JST09

[personal profile] glacial_queen 2010-03-11 04:53 am (UTC)(link)
"Neat!"

She picked up the cookie, nibbling it a bit. The conversation had relaxed her enough to ask, "So...do you have a Joker in your world? Or a Harley? She and Black Canary seemed to know each other pretty well."

Re: Talk to the TAs - JST09

[identity profile] blondecanary.livejournal.com 2010-03-11 04:58 am (UTC)(link)
Dinah froze for a moment, then sat down, and forced herself to relax. "Yes." She licked her lips, and said, "I never met the Joker. But he's the one that shot Barbara." She set her jaw. "And the Harleen Quinzelle I know is the one who murdered Barbara's fiance'."
glacial_queen: (Concerned)

Re: Talk to the TAs - JST09

[personal profile] glacial_queen 2010-03-11 05:51 am (UTC)(link)
Karla reached out, sending sympathy and apology towards Dinah. "Hayley's nothing like that...right?" That had come out more like a plea for comfort than Karla liked, so she immediately pushed on. "I don't know if it would have gotten that far, but she saved me some finding out. I'd expect nothing less from any version of Dinah."

Re: Talk to the TAs - JST09

[identity profile] blondecanary.livejournal.com 2010-03-11 05:56 am (UTC)(link)
"She's not much like Harley, no. Not either of the ones I've met, or the one Black Canary remembered this weekend. I'm glad she stopped you from having to learn anything more about her, though." Dinah gave Karla a crooked smile, and slowly shrugged as she considered. "I don't know Hayley all that well, but she's not a murderous genius, or a violent prankster. Or insanely obsessed with a psycho. So yeah, I'd say no." She was remembering the other one she'd met here in Fandom, before. "I met one here, a month after I go here. A different Harleen Quinzelle."