Love & Romance, Hollywood Style [Period 4, Class 7]

[carpe_demon]

"Today we'll be looking at love and deception," Drake said. "In movies, deception is often played for laughs. Take, for example, the movie meta for Never Been Kissed. Twenty-five year old wanna-be reporter Josie was a loser in high school, but sees a chance to have a do-over when she is assigned to pretend to be a high school student and write a story about the students. While she's there, she falls for her English teacher, who thinks she's just 17, and he's not too happy when he finds out the truth. And in meta for 10 Things I Hate About You, the lead character finds out that the guy she's falling in love with was hired by her sister's would-be suitor, because said sister was not allowed to date until her older sister did. This one's an adaptation of The Taming of the Shrew, by William Shakespeare. Willy and me, we go way back.

"Anyway," Drake went on, "both movies end with the lovers reunited, and all is forgiven. But do you think it's possible that someone can deceive another about who they are and cause them pain, yet still have a happy ending?"

Comments

Sign In [L&R: Class Seven]

[carpe_demon]

Deceptively!

Re: Sign In [L&R: Class Seven]

[blondecanary.livejournal.com]

Dinah Lance

Listen to the Lecture/Watch the Clips [L&R: Class Seven]

[carpe_demon]

As you do.

Re: Listen to the Lecture/Watch the Clips [L&R: Class Seven]

[vanillajello]

There were no distracting pants this week. Kate approved.

And the topic wasn't too bad for her, either, so she looked fairly relaxed as she listened and watched.

Re: Listen to the Lecture/Watch the Clips [L&R: Class Seven]

[wwiii]

Possibly in an attempt to keep his deceptions to a minimum (or maybe because there didn't seem to be much of a point in hiding them anymore anyhow), Warren had ditched the coat today, and was making do with just keeping his wings folded at his back.

Considering the subject matter today, he was maybe even weirdly bemused that today was the day he decided to hit up his classes without hiding.

Re: Listen to the Lecture/Watch the Clips [L&R: Class Seven]

[living_endless]

Didi rested her chin on her hands, watching the clips. She wasn't a big fan of lying, but she didn't mind the films themselves.

Re: Listen to the Lecture/Watch the Clips [L&R: Class Seven]

[longislandiceme]

Oh, great.

This was just what he needed, really, a reminder of Judy and that whole mess just as he was working up the courage to maybe ask Mirax out on a real, longer-than-five-minutes date.

He slouched down in his seat, thinking that it'd be really great to spontaneously develop an invisibility mutation today.

Re: Listen to the Lecture/Watch the Clips [L&R: Class Seven]

[joan-notjane.livejournal.com]

Joan felt vaguely uncomfortable with this topic given that she routinely deceived, oh, everyone around her about important facets of her life.

Re: Listen to the Lecture/Watch the Clips [L&R: Class Seven]

[oops-mbad.livejournal.com]

Diana was watching the movies, her head on her hands. "This calls for popcorn."

Re: Listen to the Lecture/Watch the Clips [L&R: Class Seven]

[awesomebigsis.livejournal.com]

Ellie watched the clips and then thought about the topic and how she would answer that question.

Class Discussion [L&R: Class Seven]

[carpe_demon]

Do you think it's possible that someone can deceive another about who they are and cause them pain, yet still have a happy ending?

Re: Class Discussion [L&R: Class Seven]

[blondecanary.livejournal.com]

"If it's for a good cause, maybe?" Dinah was looking hopeful here. "Liiike, if you were concealing your identity to protect others, that's understandable, right?"

Okay. Maybe some extreme wishful thinking going on here...

Re: Class Discussion [L&R: Class Seven]

[vanillajello]

"Not really. Kinda hard to trust someone after something like that," Kate said. After a thoughtful pause, she added, shrugging, "Although I guess it depends on the kind of thing they haven't been honest about."

Re: Class Discussion [L&R: Class Seven]

[awakestheghosts]

"I think that it would depend on the situation and if what your were dishonest about was something that you were trying to protect those around you from."

Re: Class Discussion [L&R: Class Seven]

[wwiii]

"I don't think that hiding something from someone is only okay if it's for the good of that other person," Warren said, speaking up from the seat he'd staked out at the back of the room today. "Sometimes, people hide things for their own sake, too."

Case in point, the wings that were folded at his back, more or less in plain view today.

"Maybe feelings can get hurt because of a lie, but sometimes a little understanding from the person who was lied to is just as important as honesty from the person who was doing the deceiving."

Re: Class Discussion [L&R: Class Seven]

[living_endless]

"Not really, but it depends," Didi said thoughtfully. "I think a lot of people feel like there's a difference between not mentioning something and actually saying something that isn't true. I mean, it's all the same, but if it's not that big a thing and it comes up early in a relationship ... maybe there's a chance?"

Re: Class Discussion [L&R: Class Seven]

[brat-intraining.livejournal.com]

Oh, hello there, something that could actually poke at a sore spot-- one that Kennedy was mostly over by now, but there was enough of a twinge upon the metaphorical poking that she looked pensive when she answered.

"I'm gonna have to agree with everybody saying it depends. Who's not being upfront about what, and why?" She could think of a couple of examples. "Just not mentioning something because you feel like you should be ashamed of it, and they'd hate you for it, that's one thing. Leading somebody on, on purpose, just to get in their pants, that's totally different."

Okay, yeah. That still smarted a little, but she covered it up with a shrug.

Re: Class Discussion [L&R: Class Seven]

[icecoldfrost]

"That depends on what you mean by deception, doesn't it?" Emma asked.

"I don't tell people everything I know, because if I did, half the school would dissolve in tears and emo. On one hand, you could say that's deceiving people about who I am, because they might think I was doing out of the goodness of my heart. Which I'm not, I'm saving myself the headache. Discovering I'm not just being nice, that could cause someone pain to the fainter-of-heart, but that's not my problem."

"Admittedly, I'm not a very forgiving person in the first place. But no matter how forgiving and squishy and such people are, I'm rather sure that there's some betrayals that even the most forgiving person can't overlook, even if the happy ending is staring them in the face. Who's to say the other person won't do it again?"

Re: Class Discussion [L&R: Class Seven]

[oops-mbad.livejournal.com]

"Judging by the tv? Yeah, happens every day." Diana said casually. "Reality is so much harsher than that. I mean, if they lied about one major thing - minor is minor - what else could they be lying about? Like meta forMr. and Mrs. Smith had in their dialog - 'we're going to have to redo every single conversation'."

Re: Class Discussion [L&R: Class Seven]

[longislandiceme]

"I'd like to think so," Bobby admitted. "But personal experience points towards no." And yet, it wasn't going to stop him from deceiving people, or at least not telling them certain important details.

Re: Class Discussion [L&R: Class Seven]

[awesomebigsis.livejournal.com]

"I suppose it is possible," Ellie said thoughtfully. "Especially if there was a good reason for the deception and if the falling in love part was real."

Re: Class Discussion [L&R: Class Seven]

[mississippiqueen]

Emmett said, "I don't believe in hiding what you are--" Mostly because he sucked at it. "--but it's not like I don't know people have to sometimes. Or feel like they do. So, yeah. If you care about somebody, they deserve a second chance."

Talk to Drake [L&R: Class Seven]

[carpe_demon]

"Judith! What's another word for engorged?"

TAs [L&R: Class Seven]

[carpe_demon]

"It's not everyday you find a girl who'll flash someone to get you out of detention."

Re: TAs [L&R: Class Seven]

[brat-intraining.livejournal.com]

Kennedy would not be flashing anyone, thank you very much. Playing Doodle Jump, on the other hand... well.

Ahem.

OOC [L&R: Class Seven]

[carpe_demon]

"I'll let you get back to Reginald's quivering member."


Up early for great root canal. Seriously, I have no idea what shape I'm going to be in tomorrow afternoon. I better get some good drugs. But at least my boss was kind enough to tell me just to go home after it's done, hooray!

Re: OOC [L&R: Class Seven]

[blondecanary.livejournal.com]

Awwwwww! *fingers crossed* I'm guessing it'll be a very good drugs day. Hope you enjoy that part of it, at least?