atreideslioness: (Future Imperfect)
Ghanima Atreides ([personal profile] atreideslioness) wrote in [community profile] fandomhigh2009-08-09 10:26 pm

Destiny & Free Will, Week VI [Monday, Period 4]

As students arrived today, they might notice Ghanima had actually written on the chalkboard for once:

Sarv-gyaata  |  Sarv-samarth  |  Sarv-vyapt 

"Good morning, students," she said clearly.  "Today we study the the 'omni' categories.  Omniscient, omnipotent, and omnipresent."


"Omniscience is the capacity to know everything infinitely, or at least everything that can be known about a person, including thoughts, feelings, life and the universe, and so on," she said, beginning to write on the board.  "In monotheism, this ability is typically attributed to God. This concept is included in the Qur'an, where God is called "Al-'aleem" on multiple occasions. This is the infinite form of the verb "alema" which means to know. In the Bible, God is referred to often as "The Great I Am," among other similar names, which also incorporates His omnipresence and omnipotence. In Hinduism, God is referred to as sarv-gyaata," she pointed at the words on the board, "which means omniscient, sarv-samarth, or omnipotent, and sarv-vyapt, omnipresent."

"There is a distinction between inherent omniscience, which is the ability to know anything that one chooses to know and can be known, and total omniscience, which is actually knowing everything that can be known."  Ghanima smiled and tapped her chalk against the board.  "It might sound like more semantics to you, but I promise, it's a very large difference." 

"Some modern theologians argue that God's omniscience is inherent rather than total, and that God chooses to limit his omniscience in order to preserve the freewill and dignity of his creatures.  Certain theologians of the 16th Century, comfortable with the definition of God as being omniscient in the total sense, to rebuke created beings' ability to choose freely, embraced the doctrine of predestination."

"Our second topic, omnipresence, is the ability to be present in every place at any, and/or every, time; unbounded or universal presence. It is related to the concept of ubiquity, the ability to be everywhere at a certain point in time.  Some argue that omnipresence is a derived characteristic: an omniscient and omnipotent deity knows every thing and can be and act every where, simultaneously. Others propound a deity as having the "Three O's", including omnipresence as a unique characteristic of the deity."

"Omnipotence is where it starts to get a bit trickier," she said thoughtfully.  "Belief that God can do absolutely anything can be thought to yield certain logical paradoxes. A simple example goes as follows: Can God create a rock so heavy that even he cannot lift it? If he can, then the rock is now unliftable, limiting God's power. But if he cannot, then he is still not omnipotent. This question cannot be answered using formal logic due to its self-referential nature. Two excellent examples of this are the liar paradox and Godel's incompleteness theorem. This problem led in the High Middle Ages to developing the concept of mathematical infinity, and laid the basis for infinitesimal calculus."

"A good example of this trinity might be the animal transformations that seem to plague the island at times," Ghanima said.  "Say, perhaps, I had a TA that turned into a bird, or a student into a rabbit or kitten." 

Not that it had ever happened.  Really.  Or that she had recorded this same lecture last year, with Reno as a tiny red chicken.

"One could argue that an omniscient god would, one, know of the student body's habit of thumbing their collective noses at destiny.  He, she, or it, would also know of every thought a person has ever had, or ever will have.  The omniscient god would know that being something cute and fluffy would be rather embarrassing for most students, who tend to think of themselves as fighters, and therefore rather fitting. Two, an omnipotent god could easily make someone a fluffy birdie, and finally, an omnipresent god would be able to enact it in the here and now." 

"So, I would like you to pair up and discuss.  What do you think is most important for a divine being that's writing destiny?  Which of the Omnis is most compatible with the idea of free will?  Which is the most incompatible?  Do you feel omnipresence is part of the other two, or is it something that can stand separately.  Can you be omniscient if you are not omnipresent?  Team up, and decide."

"Oh, and anyone who missed last week?  Please come see me at my desk after class."


[OOC:  OCD UP!]


Re: Sign-In #6

[identity profile] not-jaded-yet.livejournal.com 2009-08-10 04:25 am (UTC)(link)
Jennifer Walters

Re: Activity!

[identity profile] not-jaded-yet.livejournal.com 2009-08-10 04:25 am (UTC)(link)
Jennifer looked around for a partner.
trigons_child: (Looking kinda scary)

Re: Sign-In #6

[personal profile] trigons_child 2009-08-10 04:31 am (UTC)(link)
Raven
trigons_child: (Feeling sexy)

Re: Listen to the Lecture

[personal profile] trigons_child 2009-08-10 04:36 am (UTC)(link)
Raven was trying to pay attention, but she was also daydreaming, just a little. She wasn't drawing hearts on her paper and writing "Mrs. Chuck Bass," at least, but she was radiating happiness. With a side of denial. Make that a double side.
weetuskenraider: (Have a Bad Feeling About This)

Re: Sign-In #6

[personal profile] weetuskenraider 2009-08-10 04:41 am (UTC)(link)
Tahiri Veila
weetuskenraider: (Orly?)

Re: Talk to the TAs

[personal profile] weetuskenraider 2009-08-10 04:42 am (UTC)(link)
Hey, look, Tahiri was here this week. And not a cougar. And sporting a new haircut, but the here-and-not-a-cougar part was the important one.
weetuskenraider: (Um - Rubbing Neck)

Re: Talk to Ghanima

[personal profile] weetuskenraider 2009-08-10 04:45 am (UTC)(link)
A couple of weeks (or, you know, four months) ago, Tahiri would have been a little more abashed about this, but she walked up to Ghanima after class and tucked her hands behind her back. "I'm sorry about missing last week."

Still boggling that she'd only missed last week, but still sorry.
weetuskenraider: (Half-Face WTF Look)

Re: Listen to the Lecture

[personal profile] weetuskenraider 2009-08-10 05:27 am (UTC)(link)
Tahiri had a bit of a funny look on her face during the lecture. The whole animal experience had kind of had its upside? Um.
thatsamilkshake: (panic)

Re: Sign-In #6

[personal profile] thatsamilkshake 2009-08-10 06:33 am (UTC)(link)
Francine Peters

Re: Sign-In #6

[identity profile] walks-two-paths.livejournal.com 2009-08-10 10:31 am (UTC)(link)
Savannah Levine

Re: Listen to the Lecture

[identity profile] walks-two-paths.livejournal.com 2009-08-10 10:31 am (UTC)(link)
Savannah was taking notes as she listened to Ghanima speak.

Re: Activity!

[identity profile] walks-two-paths.livejournal.com 2009-08-10 10:32 am (UTC)(link)
Savannah gave a small smile to Jennifer. "Need a partner?"


[[OOC: SP due to work.]]

Re: Activity!

[identity profile] not-jaded-yet.livejournal.com 2009-08-10 10:38 am (UTC)(link)
Jennifer nodded and returned the smile. "I'd love to work with you on this," she said. "Do you have a specific question you wanted to talk about?"

Re: Sign-In #6

[identity profile] heartflames.livejournal.com 2009-08-10 10:44 am (UTC)(link)
Eleanor Robinson

Re: Listen to the Lecture

[identity profile] heartflames.livejournal.com 2009-08-10 10:52 am (UTC)(link)
Eleanor was busy taking notes. There was certainly a lot of information in this lecture, and all of it fascinating.

And personally, Eleanor hadn't really minded being a kitten.

Re: Activity!

[identity profile] heartflames.livejournal.com 2009-08-10 10:53 am (UTC)(link)
Eleanor was looking around for some to pair up with and contemplating which question to answer.
puppy_fair: (Uncharacteristically Smug)

Re: Sign-In #6

[personal profile] puppy_fair 2009-08-10 11:26 am (UTC)(link)
Zack Fair
puppy_fair: (Headtilt)

Re: Activity!

[personal profile] puppy_fair 2009-08-10 11:29 am (UTC)(link)
Zack kind of bobbled back and forth for a minute, trying to make sense of the questions and looking for a partner at the same time.

Clearly, he was not omnicient. So many omni-words had him a bit confused.

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