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Anakin Skywalker ([personal profile] sith_happened) wrote in [community profile] fandomhigh2008-01-23 11:05 pm
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Ethics [Thursday, January 24]

When the students came into the classroom, they found Anakin scrawling a quote on the board:

In general, pride is at the bottom of all great mistakes.”--John Ruskin


He turned around with an eyebrow raised. "Is Master Ruskin correct? How about Master Lao Tzu? He said: 'Pride attaches undue importance to the superiority of one's status in the eyes of others; and shame is fear of humiliation at one's inferior status in the estimation of others. When one sets his heart on being highly esteemed, and achieves such rating, then he is automatically involved in fear of losing his status.'"

He began pacing around the room. "Does pride always go before a fall? Do we have to be humiliated before we can learn? How high do the stakes have to be before we'll admit we've made a mistake, or have been fooled?"

"In order to deal ethically with other people, we need to acknowledge this very human flaw in ourselves and others. We want to believe that we are different, better than everyone around us." His gaze sharpened. "We're not. Everything is connected. You, me, the desks, the rocks outside, the deer in the preserve, the annoying person in the dorm who plays their music too loudly. Take pride in being yourself, certainly," he concluded. "But don't for a moment believe that who you are makes you more than the person sitting next to you. Because that kind of pride is where you make your first mistake."

Comfortably Numb - Pink Floyd

Re: Answer discussion question #1!

[identity profile] death-of-hope.livejournal.com 2008-01-24 03:04 pm (UTC)(link)
"Sometimes pride pushes you farther, teaches you faster, than anything else can," Anemone said firmly. "If you take pride in your ability to learn, or if it pushes you farther than you can go before, then there's nothing wrong with that. Hubris, yeah, that would be a problem, but thinking that all pride hinders learning? That's just shortsighted."

"False humility is much more dangerous," she remarked. "If you refuse to acknowledge a strength, then you can never learn your limits or use it to the best of your ability."

Re: Answer discussion question #1!

[identity profile] death-of-hope.livejournal.com 2008-01-25 02:22 pm (UTC)(link)
"If you refuse to acknowledge your strength in the first place, other people are going to take the fall for you," she shot back. "Are you suggesting we let other people suffer to prevent a might-be?"

Re: Answer discussion question #1!

[identity profile] death-of-hope.livejournal.com 2008-01-25 09:28 pm (UTC)(link)
"What about all the times that pride is a good thing?" Anemone asked, clearly not backing down. "Without a sense of pride about who you are, you have no self-respect. Pride brings joy, and without joy, you may as well go toss yourself off a bridge, or something else suitably emo."

Re: Answer discussion question #1!

[identity profile] death-of-hope.livejournal.com 2008-01-25 09:46 pm (UTC)(link)
"Who gets to pick what's 'acceptable' or 'justified' then? Who picks the balance? You? A committee?" Anemone bristled slightly as memories of Dewey flashed through her brain. "When we start letting other people decide what's acceptable for other people, you've got a whole new problem."

Re: Answer discussion question #1!

[identity profile] death-of-hope.livejournal.com 2008-01-25 10:00 pm (UTC)(link)
"You could be a charming ego-maniac," she said with a crooked grin. "It's the ones that everyone adores that are most likely to get people killed. They're very very good at that." No personal experience with that. Nope. Nada. Move along now.

"I'm a raging bitch." Funnily, Anemone didn't seem disturbed by that. Instead, she actually cheered up. "At least when I'm on my medication I am. However, I actually am the best, so it's totally justified. They still haven't found anyone I can't kill. Well, Eureka, but she doesn't count. She had the whole planet helping her cheat."

Probably not the best argument she could have made, but it makes sense to Anemone.

Re: Answer discussion question #1!

[identity profile] death-of-hope.livejournal.com 2008-01-25 10:23 pm (UTC)(link)
"If I played by the rules, I wouldn't have killed anyone," she pointed out logically. "I was just stupid and didn't finish her off fast enough the first time. I know better than to play with my food, I do, but I was a little crazy that day. Crazier. Something."