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Anakin Skywalker ([personal profile] sith_happened) wrote in [community profile] fandomhigh2007-04-02 07:23 am
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Ethics [Monday, April 2, 5th period]

"Today we talk about the ethics we encounter in relationships," Anakin began quietly. "Not just the easy questions like 'is it cheating if one of us is possessed?' but the ones that effect everyone--how much of the truth do you tell the person? What happens when one of you stops loving the other one? What happens when you reach an impasse on differences in religion or life goals? What do you do when circumstances beyond your control threaten to split you apart? What if there's too much old baggage to try again?"

He ran a hand through his hair, not looking at John or Molly assuming they're in class today. "Take it from me. Sometimes love isn't enough to make it work." He looked around the classroom. "Today we talk about the messy parts of love. Pick one of my questions and answer it the best way you can."

He leaned against his desk. "I'll be over here brooding listening to the discussion."
likethegun: (i'm looking up at you)

Re: Answer a discussion question!

[personal profile] likethegun 2007-04-02 04:02 pm (UTC)(link)
"I'm not saying I'd lie about everything. Just the details that might scare her away," Sam said. "She'd still be in love with me."

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[identity profile] saltandammo.livejournal.com 2007-04-02 04:05 pm (UTC)(link)
"Not the real you," Dean pointed out.
likethegun: (i'm making my o rly? face)

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[personal profile] likethegun 2007-04-02 04:22 pm (UTC)(link)
"There's a lot more to the real me than our family history," Sam pointed out.

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[identity profile] saltandammo.livejournal.com 2007-04-02 04:28 pm (UTC)(link)
"Yeah, but like it or not, you're a Winchester, Sammy. With all that means. Lying about it doesn't change it. Just means you're hiding."
likethegun: (i'm looking up at you)

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[personal profile] likethegun 2007-04-02 04:37 pm (UTC)(link)
"I shouldn't have to own up to being a Winchester if I don't want to, and if it means I won't be able to get close to anyone who isn't a hunter too."

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[identity profile] saltandammo.livejournal.com 2007-04-02 04:56 pm (UTC)(link)
Dean was back to staring at him. "Do you hear youself. 'I shouldn't have to own up to being a Winchester.' Dude, that's what you are. You're saying you shouldn't have to own up to being you. And that's just whacked."
likethegun: (i'm looking up at you)

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[personal profile] likethegun 2007-04-02 05:10 pm (UTC)(link)
Sam shook his head. "No, you're not understanding me. I'm not saying I'd lie about my name or any of the little details. But if someone asked, "Hey have you ever killed anybody before?" I'd lie my ass off. That may be a part of me, but it's not one that I got to choose, so I don't see any reason to be truthful about it unless I absolutely have to."

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[identity profile] saltandammo.livejournal.com 2007-04-02 05:24 pm (UTC)(link)
"And when you do have to -- because you know that's going to come back to bite you on the ass -- and she asks you why you didn't trust her enough to be real with her, what are you going to say?"
likethegun: (i'm bitchfacing like a pro)

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[personal profile] likethegun 2007-04-02 05:27 pm (UTC)(link)
"I'd like to think that when she hears the truth, she'll understand why I didn't tell her - because it's too crazy to be believed, and it wasn't that I didn't trust her, it was that I didn't want her to hate me."

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[identity profile] saltandammo.livejournal.com 2007-04-02 05:37 pm (UTC)(link)
Dean shook his head. "I couldn't tell someone I loved them and still lie to them about who I was. I'd have to have enough faith that they would still love me when they knew the truth. If not, then they didn't really love me in the first place. Just who I was pretending to be."
likethegun: (i'm watching dean)

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[personal profile] likethegun 2007-04-02 05:45 pm (UTC)(link)
"I think the difference here is that you don't have any problem with who you are," Sam said. "I don't want someone to fall in love with the person I am, I want them to fall in love with the person I want to be."

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[identity profile] saltandammo.livejournal.com 2007-04-02 05:58 pm (UTC)(link)
"Okay, Sammy? Hate to break it to you, but you are who you are. That's who you should be wanting them to fall in love with. Otherwise, you're just hating yourself."
likethegun: (i'm making my 'bitch please' face)

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[personal profile] likethegun 2007-04-02 06:06 pm (UTC)(link)
"So you're saying I shouldn't strive to be more than I am right now? That I should just settle for being something I don't want to be? What the hell kind of advice is that?" Sam asked.

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[identity profile] saltandammo.livejournal.com 2007-04-02 06:48 pm (UTC)(link)
"No one's saying you should settle. But you're Samuel Winchester, son of John and Mary, my little brother, with all that entails. And yeah, that means having to deal with knowing demons and crap are real and all that. That's just part of who we are. You start trying to deny that, you deny pretty much everything," Dean told him. "And dude, I'm trying not to be offended by the implication here that we're not good enough or you."
likethegun: (i'm looking up at you)

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[personal profile] likethegun 2007-04-02 07:06 pm (UTC)(link)
"It's not that you're not good enough for me," Sam said. "And okay, you're right, I can never not know that demons and everything that goes with them are real. But that doesn't mean that I have to go around telling people that they're real for the sake of being truthful about myself."

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[identity profile] saltandammo.livejournal.com 2007-04-03 01:35 am (UTC)(link)
"We're not talking walking up to random people on the street and going, 'Hi, my family hunts demons!' We're talking about a specific person that you love and, one would assume, want to spend your life with. Big difference."
likethegun: (i'm making my 'bitch please' face)

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[personal profile] likethegun 2007-04-03 02:14 am (UTC)(link)
"Okay, I have to assume that this hypothetical person exists in the future, since right now I have Dawn, who loves me despite the hunting thing, and therefore doesn't fit into this conversation at all," Sam said. "So, let's say I do end up falling in love with someone else, in the future. Odds are, I won't be hunting, so it's not like I'm going to be hiding that from her. If I decide that I want to spend the rest of my life with this woman, then I'll tell her the truth, maybe. But when the relationship's just starting out, the truth would probably be a sure fire way to drive her away."

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[identity profile] saltandammo.livejournal.com 2007-04-03 02:17 am (UTC)(link)
"What do you mean you won't be hunting?" Dean asked with a frown.
likethegun: (i'm making my 'bitch please' face)

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[personal profile] likethegun 2007-04-03 02:21 am (UTC)(link)
Sam sighed softly. "Do you really think I'm going to graduate, go to college, and then go back to hunting?"

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[identity profile] saltandammo.livejournal.com 2007-04-03 02:29 am (UTC)(link)
"Well... yeah. I mean you're a bookworm and want to go to college, but you're coming back, right?"
likethegun: (i'm looking up at you)

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[personal profile] likethegun 2007-04-03 02:50 am (UTC)(link)
"Well...maybe? I don't know," Sam said honestly. "I mean, I don't like hunting, not the way you and Dad do. And the point of going to college is to learn how to have a real job..."

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[identity profile] saltandammo.livejournal.com 2007-04-03 02:51 am (UTC)(link)
"Hunting is a real job," Dean insisted.
likethegun: (i'm making my 'bitch please' face)

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[personal profile] likethegun 2007-04-03 02:54 am (UTC)(link)
"I mean a regular job," Sam replied. "You know, one where you earn actual money and don't have to commit credit card fraud to get paid?"

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[identity profile] saltandammo.livejournal.com 2007-04-03 02:58 am (UTC)(link)
"That doesn't make Hunting any less of a real job," Dean said. "And there's not much else that's important."
likethegun: (i'm making an innocent face)

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[personal profile] likethegun 2007-04-03 03:04 am (UTC)(link)
"Yes there is," Sam said indignantly. "There's lots of jobs out there that are important, and help people just as much as hunting does. And it's not like you and Dad won't have that covered."