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Liliana Vess ([personal profile] deathsmajesty) wrote in [community profile] fandomhigh2025-05-29 01:07 am
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Ethical Dilemmas, Thursday, (Per 1)

Liliana had reached out and informed the class that they would be meeting in the Danger Shop today several days before the island had decided to be cute. So, the giant steamer trunk that simply said THE MENDING (in all the alphabets that she could read, including Braille for maximum rudeness!) that had nearly blocked her in the room this morning hadn't only inconvenienced her--as well as proving her her previous decision both right and prescient. Had she thought that being in the Danger Shop would stop the luggage from appearing, however....well, that she was sad to discover was not to be.

And so, the class would arrive in the Shop currently mocked up to be a beautiful park, Liliana sitting on a pile of bags and suitcases and pretending very much that she wasn't. The base of her impromptu throne was a dresser trunk, where the letters -OSU could occasionally be seen when she shifted position, her feet were propped on a duffel bag with a J and an E showing on either side of her boots, and todays (real!) culinary offerings were spread over several hardbacked suitcases, with snippets like 'VEIL' and 'TAVE--' and '--NNIK--' peeking out from under the plates. Yes, she'd programmed in cloths to throw over them all, but somehow those cloths kept vanishing. Anyway, feel free to help yourself to the variety of breakfast tarts and pay no attention to the baggage behind the curtains, thank you. The park itself was lovely, however. The sun was warm, the grass green and soft and inviting, the air fresh, the sky blue (the mosquitos non-existent). Off in the distance was a playground area, where a group of preschool-aged children laughed and crawled all over the equipment. Off to the left a ways, a group a pregnant people were doing yoga. A circle of teens were throwing a discus around at each other, and somewhere out of sight, a person was playing a beautiful melody on a flute. Surrounding the park was a kind of solarpunk cityscape, full of greenery and trees and soaring, slightly futuristic buildings.

"In your time, you may have come across the phrase 'the brutal calculus of war,'" Liliana said once everyone had arrived and settled in for class. "But, in case you haven't, it's a phrase that is applied to the assessment that people make in an armed conflict to decide what is needed to succeed in their objectives and whether or not the objective is worth the cost. While sometimes, that calculation can be something relatively simple, like the dollar cost of the necessary equipment and supplies, more often - especially when the word brutal is appended - it's talking about the toll of life, both military and civilian, that a particular action will have. I have found that the further you get from where the fighting, bleeding, and dying are happening, the higher the 'acceptable losses' become. After all, it's easier to be 'rational' and 'appropriately detached' when people are abstract concepts - even moreso when they can reduced to mere numbers on the page. Losing a thousand people in a battle you're fighting is a slaughter. Losing a thousand people in a battle on the other side of the plane is a rounding error."

She settled back in her makeshift chair, nibbling on a douar asham. "Last week, most of you made the decision to walk away from Omelas," she continued. "Regardless of whether you went or stayed, many of you, even when told that 'in that day and hour all the prosperity and beauty and delight of Omelas would wither and be destroyed,' wished to rescue the child, to deliver them from the filth and isolation and hurt and fear that they lived in. And, in doing so, you were engaging in a brutal calculus of your own. One child, one life in exchange for an entire city. Because, again, it is easy, is it not? To weigh the specific suffering of a child against the abstraction of 'the greater good'? Different lives have different weights to them, though that exact calculus is your own. Generally, loved ones are worth more than strangers. Friends more than enemies. People in your 'tribe' than people outside of it. Civilian lives are worth more than soldiers', and children's worth more than adults'. Each person is different, but even if you believe that every life is sacred, some will be more sacred than others." Liliana had a constantly updating hierarchy of people and what it would take for their lives to zero out the equation.

Don't ask. You don't actually want to know.

"But, what is easy to decide in a solarium, surrounded by your peers and focusing only on a single child's misery, may become much harder when you are face to face with the people who will actually pay the price for your actions." She waved around the park, then pointed to various buildings. A hospital. A university. A day care. A market. "Welcome to Omelas, darlings. Today's ethical decision: decide whether or not you will be the personal architect of the city's downfall. Best of luck."

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Luma was there and nibbling on a tart rather peevishly, looking irritated and annoyed and upset, but it had nothing to do with any of the luggage and bags following her around, pretty and petite things edges in lace and rhinestones in pastel colors that read of issues like ANGER and HUNGER and JEALOUSY, like ARTHUR and ELEANOR and GRANDMOTHER, like INCONSEQUENTIAL and UNLOVEABLE and ARRESTED DEVELOPMENT.

No, it had to do with the fact that she'd come to class alone, after a big fight with her sister that morning about Eleanor refusing to leave the room with her own baggage. It left her on edge, and it made her upset and sad and violent and all sorts of other things that were surely great things to bring into this class today, but there they were, and she wanted to cry and she wanted to tear something apart, and instead she was just going to dourly eat a tart while listening about this stupid fake society and all the stupid fake people in it and wondering why she should even care at all.
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Stark had plenty of baggage. One very large trunk just had a number printed on it.
Other bags had names, some had words in multiple languages, some were brightly colored and some were dull and worn.

He did not enjoy days like this.
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Illyana was proudly sitting on top of a large steamer trunk with ISSUES WITH AUTHORITY emblazoned on the side. What? It was harmless in the grand scheme of things, and one she openly admitted to in multiple classes.

But every time a new bit of baggage appeared with a quiet thump next to Illyana, she yawned in a manner that showed all her teeth (including her fangs), opened a portal on the floor that, if peered into, offered a spectacular bird's eye view of high mountains, fire, brimstone, and all the stereotypical trappings of hell, and with one nudge of her high-top clad foot, and down it would tumble into the hole, the portal snapping closed the moment the baggage was clear of Fandom.

Rinse and repeat, every time a new one showed up. And if her classmates took the chance to toss their own in, well, she wasn't going to say anything.
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Lydia, surrounded by a pile of bags labeled with things like FLIGHTY and FRIVOLOUS and BAD SISTER, was suddenly in her element with this new information.

"If it's a magical bargain, I have a number of questions about that. What were the alternatives, that the people who made this bargain decided this was an acceptable price? How does it function? I should like to speak to anyone who made or maintains the spell," possibly on the subject of what the hell they had been thinking, "And I should like to see the structure of the spell, in order to determine how it might be altered without bringing the whole thing down." The whole spell might deserve to be ripped down, but she was willing to first attempt alteration.

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"Are there other cultures or non-Omelan settlements on this planet?" Illyana asked, "--and if so, are they also party to this deal, or will they be affected by it?"

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Jack didn't have any questions. Jack didn't even need to be here to make any decisions.

Or not make them. Or whatever sat in between.

But he stuck his hands in the pockets of his leather jacket and he went walking anyway. It was always strange, the Danger Shop - life without the recognizable feeling of actual life. But he went. And he watched someone's idea of a utopia buzz around him.
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Perhaps it was just the mood she was in that morning, but Luma felt as though she didn't need to think about this much at all. She already made her decision, she felt, and that was that she did not care what happened to Omelas and the people within it if the child was....not even freed, mind you, just shown a kind gesture or word! Ugh! As far as she was concerned (and there was a new bag showing up or perhaps growing bigger so that she noticed it more now that read GRANDMERE), if they had to do that to one of their own to achieve it, then they didn't deserve this happiness.

But she was curious, about at least one thing, and she knew she'd feel better if she spent her time before 'deciding' in a form that felt better to her than her human skin right now. So she shifted, and, in her wolf form, she started to prowl through the streets of Omelas. She didn't have any questions, anyway; she didn't care what they had to say. But she did wonder what they might make of a wolf among them, hulking and growling and temperamental, and, maybe, after the allotted time, she might at least start to feel a little better, just for not having to deal with being human for a while.

(And maybe it would be a good reminder, too, of just how little she actually did care about these very human dilemmas).
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And just like Jack decided to walk the city, even though he didn't need to, he stopped by here too. Watched. And left again.

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