http://bugofjustice.livejournal.com/ ([identity profile] bugofjustice.livejournal.com) wrote in [community profile] fandomhigh2006-04-20 07:05 am

Advanced Criminal Justice, Class 28, Period 1, 04.20.06

[OOC: Continuing "Raid Wiki For Info" Week! Also, I've finally updated the Class Info Post.]

"Hello, students! Today we're discussing two opposing models of Justice. But first, a reminder: there's only a week of classes left!"

"Okay, the two models are the Conflict Model and the Consensus Model. The Conflict Model states that the organizations in the Justice System should - and perhaps do! - come into contention with each other. For example, police are determined to put people in prison and even have clearance rates. Similar stories with the prosecutors. But prison officials may be concerned wiith overcrowding and do what they can to limit their numbers. Perhaps they even let criminals out more easily."

"Another example would be the way that police can be so determined to arrest superheroes sometimes. Or the courts with their fines for public destruction. It's all conflict. Competition, even, to see which wheel on the Tricycle of Justice is the best."

"On the other end of the theoretical teeter totter is the Consensus Model. It says that the Justice System should - and perhaps does! - work together and cooperate. The police and courts work together to send bad people to prison. The prisons hold the bad people. Superheroes assist where they can. The important thing is that, egads, we're on a tricycle and we're having fun! Look at us zoom down this hill! Wheee!"

"Some people have speculated that we shoot for Consensus but Conflict is our reality. My question for you is what do you think about the whole thing? Consensus? Conflict? Are we one? Are we the other? Is one better? What are we doing with our shiny, red tricycle?"

"Please discuss!"
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Re: Talk, Take Notes, Pass Notes, Etc. [Class 28]

[personal profile] janet_fraiser 2006-04-20 04:38 pm (UTC)(link)
"Dancing is fun," said Janet, who was kind of clueless at this hour of the morning. "You're supposed to do it. That's why it's called a school dance."

Re: Talk, Take Notes, Pass Notes, Etc. [Class 28]

[identity profile] notstakedyet.livejournal.com 2006-04-20 04:45 pm (UTC)(link)
"Ah, but I don't," Angel said. "I call it a secret plan to torture me."
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Re: Talk, Take Notes, Pass Notes, Etc. [Class 28]

[personal profile] janet_fraiser 2006-04-20 05:09 pm (UTC)(link)
"No one here really wants to torture you," said Janet. "I don't think, anyway. It's just an unintentional side effect of being in high school."

Re: Talk, Take Notes, Pass Notes, Etc. [Class 28]

[identity profile] notstakedyet.livejournal.com 2006-04-20 06:10 pm (UTC)(link)
"I've always felt school was sadistic," Angel said. "Part of why I so rarely went."
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Re: Talk, Take Notes, Pass Notes, Etc. [Class 28]

[personal profile] janet_fraiser 2006-04-20 06:54 pm (UTC)(link)
"Of course it's sadistic," said Janet. "That's why we self-medicate. With chocolate, of course. And you willingly subjected yourself to high school a second time around why again?"

Re: Talk, Take Notes, Pass Notes, Etc. [Class 28]

[identity profile] notstakedyet.livejournal.com 2006-04-20 07:22 pm (UTC)(link)
"Prove myself," Angel said. "Try to learn something about fighting the good fight so I could do it on my own and not have to rely on B - so I could do it on my own."
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Re: Talk, Take Notes, Pass Notes, Etc. [Class 28]

[personal profile] janet_fraiser 2006-04-20 07:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Janet nodded. "This would be the high school to learn that at," she said. Ignoring any mention of whatever name he'd almost let slip would be the tactful thing to do. Thankfully, Janet was feeling tactful. "And I feel it's always important to have a certain level of self-reliance. Though the next step is to have that self-reliance and how to work with a team."

Study group had been a team, after all. And it wasn't as if Janet wasn't used to working as part of a team.

Re: Talk, Take Notes, Pass Notes, Etc. [Class 28]

[identity profile] notstakedyet.livejournal.com 2006-04-20 07:45 pm (UTC)(link)
"Still working on that one," Angel admitted. "It's hard when your destiny doesn't exactly mention other people."
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Re: Talk, Take Notes, Pass Notes, Etc. [Class 28]

[personal profile] janet_fraiser 2006-04-20 08:09 pm (UTC)(link)
"As far as I can tell," said Janet. "Destiny has managed to give you a goal, but no clear way to get there. It hasn't exactly vetoed other people either."

Re: Talk, Take Notes, Pass Notes, Etc. [Class 28]

[identity profile] notstakedyet.livejournal.com 2006-04-20 08:13 pm (UTC)(link)
Angel squirmed uncomfortably. "It, um, has. Kinda."
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Re: Talk, Take Notes, Pass Notes, Etc. [Class 28]

[personal profile] janet_fraiser 2006-04-20 08:23 pm (UTC)(link)
"Oh?" asked Janet curiously. "How so?"

Re: Talk, Take Notes, Pass Notes, Etc. [Class 28]

[identity profile] notstakedyet.livejournal.com 2006-04-20 08:24 pm (UTC)(link)
"Apparently anybody who helps me will end up dead or wishing they were," Angel said. "So... probably going to be answering my own phones, once the business gets running."
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[personal profile] janet_fraiser 2006-04-20 08:35 pm (UTC)(link)
"The future is not carved in stone, Angel," said Janet firmly. "Is this some kind of prophecy thing?"

Re: Talk, Take Notes, Pass Notes, Etc. [Class 28]

[identity profile] notstakedyet.livejournal.com 2006-04-20 08:39 pm (UTC)(link)
"It's a 'somebody's already been there, done that, and besides I can already see it happening' kind of thing."
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Re: Talk, Take Notes, Pass Notes, Etc. [Class 28]

[personal profile] janet_fraiser 2006-04-20 08:51 pm (UTC)(link)
"Then he and you are from alternate universes," said Janet. "Sam explains this concept better than I do, but essentially, there are an infinite number of universes, and every time you make a decision, another universe is created. Or something like that." She shook her head. "Physics is not one of my areas, but my point is that just because it's happened in one timeline, that doesn't mean it's going to happen to you."

Re: Talk, Take Notes, Pass Notes, Etc. [Class 28]

[identity profile] notstakedyet.livejournal.com 2006-04-20 08:53 pm (UTC)(link)
"Maybe," Angel said, but he didn't look like he totally believed it.
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Re: Talk, Take Notes, Pass Notes, Etc. [Class 28]

[personal profile] janet_fraiser 2006-04-20 09:00 pm (UTC)(link)
"I'm not saying you shouldn't be careful," said Janet. "Similar situations may come up in your timeline. But your future isn't preordained based on what happened--or will happen--to a different version of you."

Re: Talk, Take Notes, Pass Notes, Etc. [Class 28]

[identity profile] notstakedyet.livejournal.com 2006-04-20 09:01 pm (UTC)(link)
"Where I'm from there's similar themes," Angel said. "The day to day stuff may change but the huge events are all the same. Everyone I care about dying? That sounds pretty big to me."
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Re: Talk, Take Notes, Pass Notes, Etc. [Class 28]

[personal profile] janet_fraiser 2006-04-20 09:24 pm (UTC)(link)
"The day-to-day stuff affects the larger picture. And changes it," said Janet. "Of course the thought of everyone you care about dying is huge. Anyone you care about dying is a huge deal. But you also can't decide that means you have to be alone, because you can't decide for other people." She took a deep breath. "Each of us chooses what risks we take, after all. Maybe your friends in that dimension would think the risk was worth it."

Re: Talk, Take Notes, Pass Notes, Etc. [Class 28]

[identity profile] notstakedyet.livejournal.com 2006-04-20 09:39 pm (UTC)(link)
"And maybe they'd be happier if they didn't," Angel said.
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Re: Talk, Take Notes, Pass Notes, Etc. [Class 28]

[personal profile] janet_fraiser 2006-04-21 12:35 am (UTC)(link)
"And you get to decide that for them?" asked Janet, one eyebrow raised.

Re: Talk, Take Notes, Pass Notes, Etc. [Class 28]

[identity profile] notstakedyet.livejournal.com 2006-04-21 01:02 am (UTC)(link)
"I am if I'm the only one who truly knows what's being decided," Angel said.
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Re: Talk, Take Notes, Pass Notes, Etc. [Class 28]

[personal profile] janet_fraiser 2006-04-21 01:18 am (UTC)(link)
"You might want to consider that other people deserve the knowledge to make that choice on their own," said Janet, deliberately keeping her voice mild.

Re: Talk, Take Notes, Pass Notes, Etc. [Class 28]

[identity profile] notstakedyet.livejournal.com 2006-04-21 01:18 am (UTC)(link)
"It's one thing to be told," Angel said. "Another to know."
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Re: Talk, Take Notes, Pass Notes, Etc. [Class 28]

[personal profile] janet_fraiser 2006-04-21 01:25 am (UTC)(link)
"You were told, not shown, weren't you?" asked Janet. "Or did you see it all happen?"