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endsthegame ([personal profile] endsthegame) wrote in [community profile] fandomhigh2016-07-25 03:02 pm

Practical Philosophy, Monday

Ender waited until everyone was seated on the lawn, as per usual; his eyes skipped over the class, lingering briefly on Mara if she was there, since she'd inspired today's class.

"Friendship," he said, "is a virtue which is ‘most necessary with a view to living … for without friends no one would choose to live, though he had all other goods’. At least, that's according to Aristotle, one of our most ancient philosophers. His definition of friendship is two people who bear good will towards each other, without this escaping their notice. With this, he meant that friendships had to be based on one of three things: an appreciation of each other's goodness, or pleasantness, or usefulness. Friendships based in full appreciation of each other and a willingness to wish each other well even when there's no immediate advantage in it for you, well, those were greatest of all."

He smiled faintly. "It sounds like a romantic ideal, but it's also good advice," he said. "Of course, Aristotle also believed there was such a thing as perfect friendship - to have a friend who is like another self. To appreciate each other's ability to exercise reason and virtue, that, he felt, was most important. You could certainly argue with that more strongly."

"One thing hasn't changed since Aristotle's time, though, and that's that we value such social bonds strongly," he continued. "Most cultures have some kind of fundamental belief about the necessity of friendship, though not everyone agrees on what that should be like. Or how to accomplish it. I'd like us to talk about this for a bit: have you ever had something approaching a 'perfect friend'? Do you believe you can sort friendships the way Aristotle did, or are things murkier? Is friendship that important to you?"

There. This shouldn't be too hard, surely. It was a nice day, even if the lawn smelled like cheese.
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Re: Talk.

[personal profile] era_two_triangle 2016-07-25 09:23 pm (UTC)(link)
Peridot looked like she was a little bit at a loss, here. She was still down a foot, and she'd clunk-CLUNKed her way to class today a little less frustrated and a little more resigned than she had been the week before.

Now she was hugging her knees again and looking... anywhere but at anybody else, mostly. The grass was a lovely verdant hue, she was going to ever so casually pick a few blades and compare them to her own arm.

"Don't really know what friends are about," she muttered. "Apparently they're important, here."
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Re: Talk.

[personal profile] era_two_triangle 2016-07-25 09:31 pm (UTC)(link)
"I... don't really know if they count as friends," Peridot admitted. "I'm not entirely certain what the qualifiers are. There are humans here that I don't dislike, and who have been useful since my arrival. But with the way humans talk about it, it seems as though there's more to it than that."

She was not fidgeting, shut up.

"On Homeworld, there isn't much room for frivolities like that. I'm aware the concept exists, and I've seen camaraderie between other Gems before, but that's a luxury left to those of a higher station, I suppose."
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Re: Talk.

[personal profile] era_two_triangle 2016-07-25 09:51 pm (UTC)(link)
"It's..." Peridot frowned, a faint tint of blue coloring her cheeks. "It can't be as complicated as I'm making it, if humans can do it so readily, but it seems out of my grasp. People who... need one another? For emotional stability? Mutually beneficial relationships sustained by choice for... a... reason."

She was struggling with this one, Ender. Help her out, here.
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[personal profile] era_two_triangle 2016-07-25 10:02 pm (UTC)(link)
"So... friendship is a sort of symbiosis?"

That, at least, seemed to sort of make sense. Maybe not perfectly accurate sense, but it was a start. Peridot wasn't fidgeting as much, anyway.
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[personal profile] era_two_triangle 2016-07-26 11:12 am (UTC)(link)
"The sense of understanding, I could definitely come to appreciate," Peridot decided. "And... cooperation. I do approve of anything that expedites progress."

Admitting she'd like the positive feelings as well would have involved admitting that she cared about things like that. Not happening.
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[personal profile] era_two_triangle 2016-07-26 09:28 pm (UTC)(link)
Peridot tilted her head at Ender for a moment, and then shrugged her shoulders.

"Some Gems are more important than others, so they have more leeway in what they do," she replied, matter-of-factly. "Or they've got a position that naturally leads to them interacting more with others. Rubies and different Quartz are strong, they're soldiers, they don't often go on missions alone, or they're at least in a position of power enough that others look up to them. Peridots... we work with our technology, we're given missions and we do them. There isn't much time to make friends, get to know other Gems. Any of that."
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Re: Talk.

[personal profile] era_two_triangle 2016-07-27 11:12 am (UTC)(link)
"Not generally," Peridot replied, shrugging her shoulders a little. "We aren't like Rubies, who just fuse if they need to be bigger or stronger. It only takes one Peridot to pilot a ship, or to run diagnostics on a Kindergarten."
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[personal profile] era_two_triangle 2016-07-27 11:24 am (UTC)(link)
"It all goes into logs. We don't sit around and chat about it or anything. It's right there at our fingertips if and when we need to access that information."

She held her hand up, let her fingers come apart to display her screen.

"We can access information from any Gem database across multiple star systems. There are few enough of us, we're spread that thin."
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[personal profile] era_two_triangle 2016-07-27 11:38 am (UTC)(link)
It was terribly lonely. But until coming to the island, Peridot didn't know what it felt like to not be alone.

"It puts me at a disadvantage when it comes to understanding human relationships, at the very least. I know my place among other Homeworld Gems. That's what matters, for me."

By necessity, granted. But it made sense.
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Re: Talk.

[personal profile] era_two_triangle 2016-07-27 11:57 am (UTC)(link)
Peridot considered that quietly for a few moments.

"That sounds... terrifying," she decided, finally. "Gems are created with a place. With a role. If we can't fill that role..."

She shrugged, dancing around the consequences of that and re-claiming her screen so that she could spread her hands a little.

"... then what are we for?"
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[personal profile] era_two_triangle 2016-07-27 03:48 pm (UTC)(link)
It was her entire world, Ender. With Homeworld as low on resources as it was, the threat of being harvested and put to use elsewhere was a very real one. Gems who were of no use as people made excellent components in Homeworld's tools, instead.

"But... what happens to you if you never find where you belong?"
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[personal profile] era_two_triangle 2016-07-28 01:40 am (UTC)(link)
Peridot was kind of chewing on the inside of her cheek, now. She wasn't going to let herself stoop to jealously, or even longing for a life like that. That would be absurd. Comparing humans to Gems was like comparing comets to stars. There was little point.

Still...

"I was told by one of my..." She hesitated, not sure if she ought to use the word 'friends,' "... peers here that that's a strength, for humanity. Not a shortcoming. That being able to find your place and live the paths you choose for yourself is part of what pushes you forward as a species. And I'd have my doubts about that, but your species has made significant strides since the last time Gems came to Earth. Your relationships, your focus on family and friends... those appear to play into that, for you."
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[personal profile] era_two_triangle 2016-07-28 02:40 am (UTC)(link)
"Maybe... maybe aspects of that would be... beneficial... to my people, as well," Peridot hedged. "It bears consideration, at the very least. Research."

It was something for her to focus on until she could find a way to get home. Her Diamond would hear her out, she was certain, if it meant being able to make Homeworld stronger still.

Peridot was setting herself up for so much disappointment.

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