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Anakin Skywalker ([personal profile] sith_happened) wrote in [community profile] fandomhigh2012-10-02 12:25 pm
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Ethics [Tuesday, October 2, 2012, 1st period]

"Morning, class," Anakin said leaning against his desk at the front . "I hope your weekends were as trauma-free as can be expected with relatives visiting. Today we learn about Immanuel Kant," he began, gesturing to the Korra if she's there to hand out information on the man. "He was an influential German philosopher on this planet several hundred years ago who thought every action should have pure intention behind it; otherwise it was meaningless. He did not necessarily believe that the final result was the most important aspect of an action, but that how the person felt while carrying out the action was the time at which value was set to the result."

In his mind, Anakin could hear Obi-Wan nattering on about how many of the truths people cling to depending upon their point of view. He shook his head to clear it and continued. "In other words, it's not the results that make something moral but why you made that decision, and Kant believed that only decisions made purely out of duty have moral worth. For instance, Kant spoke of a shopkeeper who passed up the chance to shortchange a customer only because his business might suffer if other customers found out.  According to Kant, the shopkeeper’s action had no moral worth because he did the right thing for the wrong reason."

He paced the room. "What do you think of Kant's conclusion? Is he being too hard on that shopkeeper? What of people who are in the habit of being good without thinking? Is that being moral, or just being conditioned to interact correctly with society?"
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[personal profile] failsatspirit 2012-10-02 11:49 am (UTC)(link)
Korra
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[personal profile] failsatspirit 2012-10-02 11:59 am (UTC)(link)
Korra was there, and occasionally looking in Anakin's direction in a vaguely guilty manner.
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[personal profile] failsatspirit 2012-10-02 12:10 pm (UTC)(link)
Korra was not moping, sure she'd been sad to see Tenzin and Lin go, but compared to how she'd been feeling before this weekend, it wasn't so bad.
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[personal profile] suitably_heroic 2012-10-02 12:26 pm (UTC)(link)
Atton Rand
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[personal profile] myownface 2012-10-02 12:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Sparkle
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[personal profile] suitably_heroic 2012-10-02 12:44 pm (UTC)(link)
"Kant's not being too hard on the shopkeeper," Atton said. "You keep doing the right thing for the wrong reasons, eventually you're going to do the wrong thing anyway."

Beat.

"Or really piss somebody off."
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[personal profile] myownface 2012-10-02 12:49 pm (UTC)(link)
"Honestly, who the hell is it who gets to pick what the 'right' and 'wrong' reasons are, anyhow? The shopkeeper is covering his own ass, just like everyone does. We're human. We're animal. We're nice to people because we want people to like us, aren't we? So where's the difference?"

Sparkle was being extra jaded today. Don't mind him.

He so would have pocketed that change.
Edited 2012-10-02 12:50 (UTC)
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[personal profile] suitably_heroic 2012-10-02 01:11 pm (UTC)(link)
"In my experience?" Atton asked, eyeballing Anakin. "It'd just harden the guy. Maybe add some self-pity with a dash of self-righteousness."
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[personal profile] suitably_heroic 2012-10-02 01:29 pm (UTC)(link)
"I have no idea," Atton said. "Kant wouldn't like me very much. I'm at peace with that."
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[personal profile] myownface 2012-10-02 01:37 pm (UTC)(link)
"Of course not, unless you like hanging out in jail," Sparkle reasoned. "Then, shit, knock yourself out. Not wanting to get busted is half the reason most people do the so-called right thing, isn't it? If people were all so damn moral, we wouldn't need laws, have prisons full to capacity and not enough cops on the streets to deal with shit when it's going down. People call little kids so damn innocent, but you see them pushing one another around and stealing each others' toys all the friggin' time, it's not like selfishness is a learned trait or something."

National Kicking People Day would be pretty awesome, though.

"Most people don't learn morals when they grow up. They just learn how to cover their own asses better."
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[personal profile] nottrivial 2012-10-02 01:53 pm (UTC)(link)
Alec Lightwood
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[personal profile] suitably_heroic 2012-10-02 01:58 pm (UTC)(link)
And Atton's lying-to-Jedi skillz came out victorious again, since he didn't actually have a clue how he felt about it and thinking about it only reminded him of things he didn't want to be reminded of.

"You can try to hit the moral high ground," he said, "Usually only means you fall harder."
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[personal profile] myownface 2012-10-02 02:00 pm (UTC)(link)
"Fear of getting in trouble, fear of being alone. Why do anything a certain way if it isn't because you want a certain outcome?"

Sparkle strongly suspected that if he were to ever meet Kant, the guy would hate him. A lot.

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