http://brambless.livejournal.com/ ([identity profile] brambless.livejournal.com) wrote in [community profile] fandomhigh2005-10-17 07:49 pm
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Ethics class, 2-4pm Monday afternoon

Tara leans against her desk, smiling as she watches the students come in. Some of the faces she recognises, and gives a nod. The room is filled with soft, comfortable chairs, which are positioned in a circle. Each chair has a wooden insert in one arm, to lean on while writing, and each wooden insert has a blank piece of paper on it.

When everyone has taken their seats, Tara begins.

"The first rule of ethics class is that you do not talk about things that happen inside of ethics class. The second rule of ethics class is that you do not talk about things that happen inside of ethics class. Allow me to clarify: you may discuss your revelations, challenge your friends and mock the teacher all you like. But if anything said inside this class is ever used against another member of it, you will answer to me, personally. You will have the opportunity to explain yourself before I drag you before Principal Connor. This class cannot function if people are afraid to speak."

She looks around the classroom, stopping briefly on each face. "This school is very unusual. Yes, obviously the squid is a bit odd, but what's more interesting to me is that there are individuals sitting in this room" she nods to Angelus, "who identify themselves as evil. That, ladies and gentlemen, is what the first section of the course will be discussing. Evil, good, and what makes the difference between the two. Your evil classmates have perspectives you need to think about and consider. Don't ignore them in a mistaken belief that they have no ethics."

"Each class runs for two hours. Ordinarily this will be broken up into two sections: discussion and debate - today, however, there will be two discussion sections instead. The majority of your assessment will come through your involvement in class discussions. Every student is expected to participate every week. If you are painfully shy, write your thoughts down and hand them in to me. If I don't know what you're thinking, you don't get credit for it. After this week a formal debate will be held once a week. For those of you unfamiliar with debating, this means two teams of three students taking opposing sides on an issue determined by me. You will each be expected to debate three times during the term, with a week's notice to prepare for each one. If I don't get enough volunteers, I will volunteer someone. At the end of semester a practical exam will be held. This will assess not what you choose to do, but how accurately you have come to an understanding of your own ethical code. I expect you to be honest with yourselves."

"Friday and Monday classes are identical. Please feel free to switch between them if you have commitments that interfere with your regular attendance."

"I will want two teacher's assistants for this course, whose function it is to prompt discussion and challenge your thinking. These students will be expected to attend both Monday and Friday classes. Today's discussion will serve as your audition. TAs are expected to prompt discussion and challenge other students to analyse their own responses as well as the tasks expected of any other student. If you are interested, please say so on your paper, or see me after class."

[OOC: Class will be open for responses for the next week, for those who need to slowplay. For those of you who read Friday's class, this speech is not directly cribbed. That would be totally irresponsible. I made two changes.]

Re: First Hour

[identity profile] psycho-barbie.livejournal.com 2005-10-17 12:28 pm (UTC)(link)
*shrugs*

I've killed people, a lot of them. More than a few in what most people would have called cold blood. I don't feel any real shame about it, it just was something I had to do to survive. If I had to I would, and probably will, do it again.

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[identity profile] defiantlyyours.livejournal.com 2005-10-17 02:12 pm (UTC)(link)
"I have attempted to mail myself using the United States Postal Service. Transport of humans by the mail is strictly prohibited by Federal Law."
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Re: First Hour

[personal profile] chasingangela 2005-10-17 02:33 pm (UTC)(link)
Angela thinks about it for a few minutes.

"I don't know. Nothing that bad."

She taps a pen against her paper. "Um ... I eat meat. I can be kind of rotten to my mom and my sister. I lie. I drink alcohol, which I'm not sure anyone would say is evil, but it is kind of illegal. I've tried pot, which -- ditto."

More pen-tapping. "I think I would do all of it again, except maybe the stuff with my family. I don't like knowing I hurt someone who loves me, y'know?"

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[identity profile] miss-monochrome.livejournal.com 2005-10-17 02:50 pm (UTC)(link)
::thinks:: I'm pretty sure it'd be harder to find somethin' I've done that *couldn't* be considered evil by *somebody*. I steal, I lie, I sleep around, I've killed, I've helped wanted criminals escape... ::shrugs:: I do what I need to to survive.

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[identity profile] phases-of-kitty.livejournal.com 2005-10-17 03:32 pm (UTC)(link)
"According to some people in my dimension, I'm evil for just existing," Kitty says bitterly.

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[identity profile] forlornslayer.livejournal.com 2005-10-17 03:48 pm (UTC)(link)
Buffy seemed to pale a little bit as she took in the first question.

"The problem with the idea of evil is that everyone views evil in different ways. For instance, because of what I am, I have had people who don't understand call me evil. The time I accidentally killed my mother's robotic murderering boyfriend comes to mind."

Re: First Hour

[identity profile] master-of-fear.livejournal.com 2005-10-17 03:55 pm (UTC)(link)
Hello Professor Maclay, you're looking well today. Thank you for letting me join your class.

Many people at this school believe I am evil, merely for being a member of the Junior Acheivers. Despite the fact that it is a school sanctioned club many feel that since Angelus is our leader, we are all clearly evil.

I suppose guilt by association isn't a new phenomenon but in this case, it's guilt by association based on heresay and rumor. I wonder which is more evil, joining a school club, or spreading vicious rumors and lies about the members of that club.

*then in a low voice Jonathan asks*

how is your friend? Is there any change?

Re: First Hour

[identity profile] auroryborealis.livejournal.com 2005-10-17 05:00 pm (UTC)(link)
Rory bites her lip.

"I've betrayed at least two people who have cared about me," she replies softly.

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[identity profile] brandnew-world.livejournal.com 2005-10-18 04:15 am (UTC)(link)
Hotaru looks up, startled. "...I guess someone would consider me evil for--" she shook her head, then began writing her first thoughts out in Japanese, rather than thinking aloud.

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[identity profile] actingltcrumpet.livejournal.com 2005-10-18 04:21 am (UTC)(link)
Archie stares out the window, his eyes going out of focus, as he mulls over the question.

"I helped rob innocent civilians of their livelihood for no reason other than the fact that my country was at odds with theirs. In my own time, no one would have thought anything of this, but in this time, I think, it would be seen differently."

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[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/sydney_bristow_/ 2005-10-18 07:30 pm (UTC)(link)
"I got pregnant by an older man and I guess a lot of people see that as evil, pre-marital sex and all" Sydney says, sinking into her seat. She felt like she'd been hit by a truck. She kept one hand protectively on her stomach.

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Re: Second Hour

[personal profile] chasingangela 2005-10-17 02:36 pm (UTC)(link)
"I'm not sure. I mean, I guess for self-defense or in defense of a loved one, but ... it's not like I have so much physical strength that I'd really be much help in a situation like that."

"I killed a zombie, does that count?"

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[identity profile] miss-monochrome.livejournal.com 2005-10-17 03:21 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, if there was no way to get away, or there was a chance they'd come back or find me again, I'd kill anybody that was threatening my life, my freedom or my body. Same goes for if they were threatening anybody I loved or an innocent being.

Re: Second Hour

[identity profile] forlornslayer.livejournal.com 2005-10-17 04:20 pm (UTC)(link)
"The funny just keeps on coming." Buffy started making notes on the pad in front of her.

"I'm not one to kill randomly or without a reason. But sometimes...the reasoning can blur when your heart becomes involved."

Re: Second Hour

[identity profile] master-of-fear.livejournal.com 2005-10-17 04:32 pm (UTC)(link)
Now does this mean killing some one with direct intention of killing them? Or does this also imply situtations where through your actions, you might inadvertantly kill some one.

Because, for example, early surgery was often extremely dangerous and most often the patient dies, but the contribution to medical science these surgeries provided has led to the advancement of the surgical field today. So in this case, those early surgeons knew their patient might likely die, and performed the surgery anyway, would this count? The medical field is full of similar examples, yet without these bungles and false steps, we might still be bleeding the bad humors out of people.

Re: Second Hour

[identity profile] auroryborealis.livejournal.com 2005-10-17 05:02 pm (UTC)(link)
"I can't think of an instance in which I would...unless it were the absolute only option," Rory says, thinking. "I mean, there are so many other ways to solve problems."

Re: Second Hour

[identity profile] phases-of-kitty.livejournal.com 2005-10-17 06:57 pm (UTC)(link)
Kitty considers this. "I guess... if someone constituted a direct, lethal threat to someone I cared about. But only if killing that person would avert the threat."

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[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/sydney_bristow_/ 2005-10-18 07:32 pm (UTC)(link)
"I would kill someone in self-defense or in the defense of someone I love." Sydney says, getting a little teary. She still hadn't found the man responsible for Vaughn's death.

Re: Teacher's Assistant

[identity profile] forlornslayer.livejournal.com 2005-10-17 04:01 pm (UTC)(link)
Me.

Re: Second Hour - extra credit question

[identity profile] master-of-fear.livejournal.com 2005-10-17 04:53 pm (UTC)(link)
Professor? Is death neccessarily evil? I mean, no one wants to die, and we're all affected by the loss of loved ones, but isn't death a natural part of life?

Re: Second Hour

[identity profile] brandnew-world.livejournal.com 2005-10-18 04:11 am (UTC)(link)
Hotaru looks thoughtful as she listens to the teacher. She scowls at her hands, trying to figure out how to best phrase what she wants to say in English. She scribbles down a few thoughts on a paper, in Japanese, before writing down her thoughts on the question, in English, on another paper.

I would be forced to kill someone if they were a threat to life as we know it-- and if they were unable to be brought down by any other means. I... well, I have another identity, one that predates this time. I did have to kill, at one point, but it was an entity that was going to destroy the Earth. ...I destroyed it from the inside out. Hotaru looks nervous and covers her paper with another paper.

Re: Volunteers for Debate

[identity profile] forlornslayer.livejournal.com 2005-10-18 01:37 pm (UTC)(link)
Buffy volunteers, her mind racing.