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Anakin Skywalker ([personal profile] sith_happened) wrote in [community profile] fandomhigh2008-10-21 09:41 am
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Ethics [Tuesday, October 21, 2nd period]

Anakin leaned a little uncomfortably against his desk as he waited for the students to take their seats.

"Today we talk about diligence, temperance, and forgiveness," he said quietly, "and we're going to use examples from last week's exercise to do so."

He flipped the hologram to life, focusing on a shot of Palpatine's face. "The goal was to save this man, the democratically chosen leader of your galaxy, at the cost--if necessary--of your own lives. After the first dozen or so droids shooting at you, you certainly had the option of retreating and leaving the mission for someone else to complete. So when does diligence turn to foolhardiness?"

The holocam switched to footage of two Jedi, blue blades flashing, taking on an older man wielding a red lightsaber. The battle was moving at least three times as fast as the exercise had. The older Jedi went ricocheting into a wall, then the second one, fire in his eyes, closed in on their opponent. A few moments later the Sith dropped to his knees with two lightsabers held to his throat.

The Jedi wielding the lightsabers looked an awful lot like their teacher.

"Temperance," Anakin said softly. "Do you kill him now? He's dangerous. He held the head of a galaxy-wide government hostage. He injured your partner. He certainly tried to kill you first. Or do you capture him and leave him to the whims of the courts?"

He shook his head. "Finally, forgiveness. You save the chancellor, at great personal expense, only to discover he's not the kind of man you thought he was. Your act of heroism has managed to make the situation at home much, much worse. How do you forgive yourself for it? Can you forgive the others who put you into that position?"
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[personal profile] endsthegame 2008-10-21 01:47 pm (UTC)(link)
Andrew Wiggin
endsthegame: (hm.)

Re: Answer the discussion question: diligence

[personal profile] endsthegame 2008-10-21 01:49 pm (UTC)(link)
That was the easiest question out of all of them. "If there's no possibility left to win," he said, evenly. "And anything bigger won't be helped by what progress you'd make before you die."

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[identity profile] stupid-toasters.livejournal.com 2008-10-21 01:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Lee Adama

Re: Answer the discussion question: diligence

[identity profile] stupid-toasters.livejournal.com 2008-10-21 01:51 pm (UTC)(link)
"When it's hopeless," Lee decided. "When the only thing that's going to happen is you're gonna die uselessly, that's when it's foolhardy. If you can do something while being shot up, it's still diligence."

Re: Answer the discussion question: temperance

[identity profile] stupid-toasters.livejournal.com 2008-10-21 01:52 pm (UTC)(link)
"Yes," Lee said. "If he wasn't killed, he'd go keep killing others and I might be in the next batch of those killed. Take him out now, stop that from happening."

Re: Answer the discussion question: forgiveness

[identity profile] stupid-toasters.livejournal.com 2008-10-21 01:53 pm (UTC)(link)
"Probably couldn't forgive myself," he said after some thought. "If I made a choice and frakked up everything and all that was on my shoulders, there'd be no way to forgive myself. I'd still have probably killed the man and hoped that I could both do that and make things okay. Stupid thinking but I'm sure that's how I would have thought."
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Re: Answer the discussion question: temperance

[personal profile] endsthegame 2008-10-21 01:54 pm (UTC)(link)
"How dangerous is he going to keep being if he's captured?" Ender asked, "There's no point to killing him if he's not making you." He had enough deaths to his name. But the immediate ones, the human ones, had been in the moment, and a battle like this could be ended in the courts. "There's no immediate threat left."

And maybe he could believe that he would, too. He'd been tried and tested about this before.

It left him with the feeling he was still lying through his teeth, strategically sound as his words had been.
Edited 2008-10-21 14:16 (UTC)

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[identity profile] sonofmogh.livejournal.com 2008-10-21 01:57 pm (UTC)(link)
Worf
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Re: Answer the discussion question: forgiveness

[personal profile] endsthegame 2008-10-21 01:58 pm (UTC)(link)
"There are things you shouldn't forgive yourself for," he replied. This one was the hardest. "But learn, move on, and do better things next time." If it was possible.

Ender wasn't even going to touch the last part.
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[personal profile] endsthegame 2008-10-21 01:58 pm (UTC)(link)
Ender was here, and looking just a little thoughtful. If he was uncomfortable at all, he was hiding it fairly well.

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[identity profile] rebelheartalien.livejournal.com 2008-10-21 01:59 pm (UTC)(link)
Michael Guerin

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[identity profile] dojima-hime.livejournal.com 2008-10-21 02:00 pm (UTC)(link)
Dōjima Yurika

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[identity profile] bad-nose-job.livejournal.com 2008-10-21 02:03 pm (UTC)(link)
Penelope Wilhern

Re: Answer the discussion question: diligence

[identity profile] bad-nose-job.livejournal.com 2008-10-21 02:05 pm (UTC)(link)
"When there is no other outcome but death," she stated simply, quietly.
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[personal profile] weetuskenraider 2008-10-21 02:21 pm (UTC)(link)
Tahiri Veila

Re: Answer the discussion question: temperance

[identity profile] dojima-hime.livejournal.com 2008-10-21 02:21 pm (UTC)(link)
Dōjima really hated this class.

"How, exactly, are you supposed to bring him to trial?" she asked dryly. "He's dangerous, even without that flashy stick, and trying to keep him alive is just going to put anyone you come into contact with at risk. The longer he's alive, the greater the chance of a higher body count, and then it will be your fault."

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