Speech Comm

[prof-cregg.livejournal.com]

She walks in, sunglasses on, carrying a large bottle of water. She's faintly green and speaks quietly...


Ok, gang. The unit for this week is obedience. we're going to hammer out the why's and how's of obedience to authority, and how that behavior relates to trust and influence...and respect. *Looks at O'Neill and Harkness*

Why do you obey? Some of you obey better than others. Why do you defer your personal power? Is it to gain something? If so, that is, as Elizabeth explained so well week before last, hegemony. *Writes HEGEMONY on the board* This is when you do something that decreases your personal power in order to gain something, in either the short or long run.

Ok, so obedience to authority. Everybody stand up and push the desks out of the way. Quietly please.

*Watches as they do it (or at least some of them*

Good. Now question yourself...why did you just do what I told you? Why were you obedient? Is it because I'm the teacher? Is it because I'm older? Is it because you've been conditioned...*writes CONDITIONED on the board* to comply with a simple request?

You cna put the desks back if you want to sit down. I'd like to get a discussion going regarding your perceptions of obedience. Ok, go.

Comments

[prof-cregg.livejournal.com]

No, I'm not saying you're wrong. i'm saying you are interpreting it in a very linear fashion. Fear, respect, control...obedience. But I'd like you to get out of that and think about the why's and how's of disobedience. Why do people NOT...um, follow orders? Is it purely personal morals? Greater good?

I'm not going to give you my answer yet, Jack...I'm pushing you to learn.

[2ls-in-oneill.livejournal.com]

Why do people NOT follow orders? *The question has stunned him a little, he never really... if someone wasn't following an order it was usually Daniel, and he always had a good reason. Well, usually at least. And if it wasn't Daniel then the person was usually a rogue or compromised.*

Um, because... Sometimes people have their own agenda and whatever you're ordering them to do doesn't fit in with it. Of course sometimes people just don't care about the consequences. That doesn't sound right, hang on. *Jack takes a moment to think and get his words in the right order*

Sometimes the person giving the order may not have the same personal morals as the person recieving it. The person giving the orders may be telling the person recieving the orders to kill a particular person and maybe the person recieving the order doesn't want to. It doesn't make either of them "bad" or "good" because you rarely ever get the full story.

Maybe the person giving the orders wants you to kill the person because they just slaughtered an entire team or your people, but then again maybe the Orderer wants you to do it because the person looks suspicious. Extenuating circumstances.

[prof-cregg.livejournal.com]

*Looks slightly horrified of all the killing talk*

Yes...um...extenuating circumstances. Good. So there is a grey area when it comes to obedience. Many factors to consider. I think you are getting this, Jack. Ok...let's move away from killing to something else. Considering the experiment Chip brought up, what's your feeling about people shocking a subject simply because they were told to? Even when they didn't want to, they were obedient to the researcher...why is that?

[2ls-in-oneill.livejournal.com]

Because they're cowards. What threat did the person giving the orders pose to them? It scares me even more than Principle Connor does that people would possibly kill hurt someone because they're told to.

People say that that's what the military does but it's not. The military tries to weed out the people just looking for an excuse to kill hurt people. On the whole most people join to protect, and because of that when an order to kill hurt is given you can bet there's a good reason behind it.

I just went off on a completely different line of thought didn't I?


[OOC: Sorry about that, Mun's mum called.]


If somebody gives you an order and it goes against your personal morals don't do it.

[prof-cregg.livejournal.com]

Good Jack...I wanted to see where that would take you. I think because of your...past...you have a different take on this. I'm glad you're not closed off though. *Smiles at him*

Next?

[2ls-in-oneill.livejournal.com]

I did it right? Sweet.