http://certaintrouble.livejournal.com/ ([identity profile] certaintrouble.livejournal.com) wrote in [community profile] fandomhigh2007-09-20 09:37 pm
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Debating, Friday September 21

Chuck strolled into class a good five minutes late. This tardiness did not concern him in the least. It was five less minutes he had to spend teaching, right?

He called for the class to quiet down, regardless of their actual noise level or attentiveness. “I want everyone who did extra credit to hand in their generalizations about board-face. Pass them over to him, so that he can get to read them before he hands them in.” He gave the class ample time, then grabbed the generalizations from poor Valentine.

“Today we’re learning the ‘Straw Man’ technique. You set up a misrepresentation of the opponent's position, refute it, and pretend that the opponent's actual position has been refuted. If you do this right, you can set up your “Straw Man” close enough to the opponent’s argument that when you smash it, you smash the real argument as well.”

“Let’s have an example. Say that I’m talking to one of the colleagues at my old school, Flatpoint. As advisers to the principal, there were very important decisions that we had to discuss. Imagine you’re in my shoes, and that the choice you/I make will be implemented and change the school. Losing is not an option.” Chuck added losers suck to his notes on the board. “Say that your colleague wants to remodel the garden in front of the school, when you think it’s just fine, that the statue of the principal is a source of authority and the flowers that are already there are just fine, and there’s nothing in the budget for it so you’d probably get roped into spending a whole Saturday at the school and why the hell would you want to come back for a day of unpaid work, it just a stupid idea, Geoffrey, why do you come up with things like this, it doesn’t make sense, you’re a silly little art teacher and what you know, you in your flouncy little spring shirts, why do you wear them when they’re so damn distracting anyway-”

Chuck stopped. He cleared his throat with something more akin to a squeak. “W-well, the point is that you could say that this- this person’s choice to take out the statue of the principal destroys the sense of authority, and is therefore unpatriotic. After all, if he’s destroying one symbol of authority, what next, a flag?”

“Get it? Break up into pairs and try it out. I’m done teaching. Let’s finish up so I can go call my wife.”


OOC: Not quite ready… It's that great come and get it day! Come and get your schooling!

Re: Straw Man

[identity profile] stocksgrrl.livejournal.com 2007-09-22 02:33 am (UTC)(link)
"What are you?" Turtle asked with a disturbed frown. "Racist?"

Re: Straw Man

[identity profile] fat-halpert.livejournal.com 2007-09-22 02:38 am (UTC)(link)
"What do you have against NASCAR?" Jim asked. "You hate the South that much?"

Re: Straw Man

[identity profile] stocksgrrl.livejournal.com 2007-09-22 02:44 am (UTC)(link)
Turtle's eyes narrowed slightly. She had been a fool to doubt Jim's prowess. Jim almost had as much prowess as she. Almost.

"Clearly," she said, "you'll never understand."

Re: Straw Man

[identity profile] fat-halpert.livejournal.com 2007-09-22 02:46 am (UTC)(link)
"Because you'll never be able to explain it right?" Jim asked.

Re: Straw Man

[identity profile] stocksgrrl.livejournal.com 2007-09-22 02:49 am (UTC)(link)
"Because I like using words that are too polysyllabic for you."

Re: Straw Man

[identity profile] fat-halpert.livejournal.com 2007-09-22 02:55 am (UTC)(link)
"I suppose my own personal monosyllabic nature is a massive deterrent, isn't it?" Jim asked. "Oh, wait, no it's not. You're just saying that because I'm a guy."

Re: Straw Man

[identity profile] stocksgrrl.livejournal.com 2007-09-22 02:57 am (UTC)(link)
"You say that," Turtle pointed out, "like it's not a valid excuse."

Re: Straw Man

[identity profile] fat-halpert.livejournal.com 2007-09-22 03:06 am (UTC)(link)
"It completely is if you're okay being a bigot," Jim said.

Re: Straw Man

[identity profile] stocksgrrl.livejournal.com 2007-09-22 03:07 am (UTC)(link)
"Well, you certainly don't have a problem with it."

Re: Straw Man

[identity profile] fat-halpert.livejournal.com 2007-09-22 03:15 am (UTC)(link)
"Like I'm supposed to trust the anti-guy bigot's opinion on a guy's opinion," Jim scoffed.

Re: Straw Man

[identity profile] stocksgrrl.livejournal.com 2007-09-22 03:16 am (UTC)(link)
"Like I'm supposed to trust that a guy would be able to function on high enough a level to understand what trust was."

Re: Straw Man

[identity profile] fat-halpert.livejournal.com 2007-09-22 03:29 am (UTC)(link)
"Like I'm supposed to trust that a..." Jim paused. "You know, we're just going around in circles at this point. I think we've found the flaw in the Straw Man."

Re: Straw Man

[identity profile] stocksgrrl.livejournal.com 2007-09-22 03:30 am (UTC)(link)
Turtle smirked a little, leaning forward on the desk with her chin cradled in her hand. "Clearly," she said. "We're too good for the Straw Man."

Re: Straw Man

[identity profile] fat-halpert.livejournal.com 2007-09-22 03:46 am (UTC)(link)
"Clearly," Jim said. "I'm going to celebrate with a nap."

Re: Straw Man

[identity profile] stocksgrrl.livejournal.com 2007-09-22 03:49 am (UTC)(link)
"Have fun with that."

Turtle wasn't sure exactly how, but she was pretty certain that the other person taking a nap meant you won, so she was okay with this.