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Music, Wednesday
“So we got jazz, then we got rock and roll, and then the universe thought… you know what we need? Glitter,” Atton said.
He didn’t sound impressed. But that shouldn't really be a surprise, considering.
“After all that rough, in-your-face music, Earth felt ready for some light dancing. They took a little from rhythm and blues, and from genres that had quietly come to life during the rise of rock music. Specifically, soul, which mixed religious music from the African American community with rhythm and blues and jazz, and funk, which relied heavily on rhythm through bass instruments and drums. All these types of music mixed through minority, immigrant and Black populations who came into contact with each other’s work, and that lead to… well. This.”
He hit the music player.
"It became extremely popular," Lana continued, "and fueled and was fueled by an interest in dance clubs. It's apparently extremely danceable in Earth-type dances. Lights and effects and such were very popular in the clubs with disco, and electronic instruments and heavy production were common in the recordings of the time. One of the prominent tracks was this one, and you can hear how dense it's become compared to early rock."
She shrugged. "Disco also, rightly or wrongly, became associated with drug use and sexual promiscuity. Part of that is likely because it developed partly from gay subcultures and part of it because every previous generation seems to find or invent reasons to hate subsequent ones."
“Yep. Just as people got tired of the dominance of rock music, so did the next generation get sick of disco,” Atton continued. “Some argue that it was the rise of conservatism, racism and homophobia that did it. Others blame the big music industry slump of the late 1970s. While the music industry paved the way for a different, whiter, more electronic pop sound, in the margins something else was brewing, played by angry young people in little dinky clubs on instruments they could either barely play or didn't want to play fancifully.”
He tapped the music player, and out came the loud, but simple riff of ‘Gimme Danger’.
“In the 1970s, bands like Iggy Pop and the Stooges had carved their reputation out of rough, unpolished music. They were followed a few years later by bands like Television and the Ramones in the United States, and The Clash and The Damned in the United Kingdom. Theirs was a sound of rebellion, defined by simple chords played fast and loose. Though through its lifespan, punk musicians who craved a more stripped-down, ‘real’ sound found themselves constantly squaring off with clever marketeers and fashion designers who ached to capitalize on their music.”
"And of course it gave rise to other forms of music and offshoots," Lana added. "Punk developed its own counterculture reputation, one of being deliberately offensive, particularly to established norms. Then around the start of the 1980s, there was a rather large schism between those groups that focused on offensiveness and simplicity, and those that were more interested in melody and stretching the form. The former became known as hardcore punk," which got its exemplar, "while the latter became New Wave." She played the next song.
"Of course, disco didn't go away, it simply adjusted, changed, and influenced other forms, as did punk," Lana pointed out. "But that was the end of its heyday."
He didn’t sound impressed. But that shouldn't really be a surprise, considering.
“After all that rough, in-your-face music, Earth felt ready for some light dancing. They took a little from rhythm and blues, and from genres that had quietly come to life during the rise of rock music. Specifically, soul, which mixed religious music from the African American community with rhythm and blues and jazz, and funk, which relied heavily on rhythm through bass instruments and drums. All these types of music mixed through minority, immigrant and Black populations who came into contact with each other’s work, and that lead to… well. This.”
He hit the music player.
"It became extremely popular," Lana continued, "and fueled and was fueled by an interest in dance clubs. It's apparently extremely danceable in Earth-type dances. Lights and effects and such were very popular in the clubs with disco, and electronic instruments and heavy production were common in the recordings of the time. One of the prominent tracks was this one, and you can hear how dense it's become compared to early rock."
She shrugged. "Disco also, rightly or wrongly, became associated with drug use and sexual promiscuity. Part of that is likely because it developed partly from gay subcultures and part of it because every previous generation seems to find or invent reasons to hate subsequent ones."
“Yep. Just as people got tired of the dominance of rock music, so did the next generation get sick of disco,” Atton continued. “Some argue that it was the rise of conservatism, racism and homophobia that did it. Others blame the big music industry slump of the late 1970s. While the music industry paved the way for a different, whiter, more electronic pop sound, in the margins something else was brewing, played by angry young people in little dinky clubs on instruments they could either barely play or didn't want to play fancifully.”
He tapped the music player, and out came the loud, but simple riff of ‘Gimme Danger’.
“In the 1970s, bands like Iggy Pop and the Stooges had carved their reputation out of rough, unpolished music. They were followed a few years later by bands like Television and the Ramones in the United States, and The Clash and The Damned in the United Kingdom. Theirs was a sound of rebellion, defined by simple chords played fast and loose. Though through its lifespan, punk musicians who craved a more stripped-down, ‘real’ sound found themselves constantly squaring off with clever marketeers and fashion designers who ached to capitalize on their music.”
"And of course it gave rise to other forms of music and offshoots," Lana added. "Punk developed its own counterculture reputation, one of being deliberately offensive, particularly to established norms. Then around the start of the 1980s, there was a rather large schism between those groups that focused on offensiveness and simplicity, and those that were more interested in melody and stretching the form. The former became known as hardcore punk," which got its exemplar, "while the latter became New Wave." She played the next song.
"Of course, disco didn't go away, it simply adjusted, changed, and influenced other forms, as did punk," Lana pointed out. "But that was the end of its heyday."
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Atton remained rational, as usual.
"His squirrily little brain somehow managed to Y-Files his way through. I don't get it either."
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He sighed.
"I tried having this conversation with Skywalker," he said, "It was a disaster."
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