Advanced Criminal Justice, Class 27, Period 1, 04.18.06

[bugofjustice.livejournal.com]

[OOC: Blah blah blah slow during day. This is my "Raid Wiki For Info" Week. Therefore, it's slighty dry and less wacky than usual. If this lecture hits any sore points for your character, it wasn't intentional. I was going to do this last week before I got sick, I swear! Class Info Post.]

"Hello, students!" The Tick said from behind his desk. "I hope you all enjoyed Master Kenobi's lecture last week. And if you had the chance to catch his sparring session with Anakin... well, it was keen!"

"Looking toward the end of the semester here, I want to let you know about your final exam. It will take place on May 2nd, two weeks from today and consist of five essay questions. It will use concepts that we talked about. And as a hint about one of the questions, I'll point you towards last week's newspaper. The thrust of the main article was whether or not Justice worked in Fandom. Those of you with good memories may recall that we've talked about that before. I would do some reflecting on your feelings on the subject by May 2nd."

"Oh, and if Callisto, Janet, Marty, and Logan could see me after class, that would be keen!"

"This week, we'll be talking about a few theories on Justice. Today we'll focus on the Restorative Theory, the Retributive Theory, and the Transformative Theory."

"Restorative Justice suggests that after a crime, the victim and/or their family can return to a condition where they are roughly just as good as they were before the crime. A burglary victim gets stuff back and eventually stops fearing another break-in. Meanwhile, the criminal can be reintegrated into society. They do community service, pay back their victims, and overall prove themselves an asset to the community. In the end, everyone returns to a happy place."

"Retributive Justice laughs at Restorative Justice and calls it names because it's just. that. bad. This is your 'eye for an eye' version of Justice. A killer gets death, a thief gets a hand chopped off, other kinds of criminals get other things chopped off... In this form of Justice, the victim gets to witness an approximation of what was done to them be done to the criminal."

"Transformative Justice is a kind of 'peacemaking' solution that ignores any comparisons between the lives of the victims and criminals before and after the crime. It looks at root causes and tries to fix any problems at the beginning, assuming that the criminal won't try to commit more crimes and the victims won't look for vengence. This theory is focused on corporate or environmental laws, but it can be applied to violent crimes."

"Personally, I think they all have a few good points, but don't quite work out as a whole. I'd like you to discuss your views on these theories. Feel free to pick one, or pick a couple of them apart and focus on some details."

"This week's metaphor is windows. The glass thingies you look out of, not the computer thingy. And for extra credit, let's go with something nice. Tell me what you're planning to do for summer."

"Okay, let's discuss!"

Comments

Talk, Take Notes, Pass Notes, Etc. [Class 27]

[bugofjustice.livejournal.com]

What it says.

Re: Talk, Take Notes, Pass Notes, Etc. [Class 27]

[notstakedyet.livejournal.com]

During Tick's talk, Angel was surprised to hear him ask Callisto and Logan to stsay after. He wondered what was up with that.

"I don't get Transformative Justice," Angel admitted. "Seems like it's something that only works in the abstract, and as long as no people are involved."

Re: Talk, Take Notes, Pass Notes, Etc. [Class 27]

[psycho-barbie.livejournal.com]

Callisto meeped and sunk a little lower in her seat.

"Retributive justice is really the only kind we have back home."

Re: Talk, Take Notes, Pass Notes, Etc. [Class 27]

[can_be_more]

Aeryn's not showing off her hand. Because she's not explaining that she didn't get married after the party.

I don't think Transformative Justice actually exists," she says. "Once you're affected by a trauma, any trauma, I don't see how it's possible to go back to being the way you were."

Re: Talk, Take Notes, Pass Notes, Etc. [Class 27]

[fates_jaye]

"I'm not too sure about the reform thing, because I think people kind of inherently suck, but I'm kinda keen on the eye for an eye thing," Jaye says. "It makes for great movies."

Re: Talk, Take Notes, Pass Notes, Etc. [Class 27]

[janet_fraiser]

Janet was here. On time, even.

Re: Talk, Take Notes, Pass Notes, Etc. [Class 27]

[oatmanspatient.livejournal.com]

Marty took note during the lecture and winced when Tick asked that he stay after class.

Re: Talk, Take Notes, Pass Notes, Etc. [Class 27]

[mparkerceo.livejournal.com]

Parker was becoming more and more uncomfortable as the different types of justice were described. "Root cause analysis and transformative is good, I guess, except it leaves aside that sometimes people are evil and it's too late to change them. Restorative justice is the best you can hope for then." She paused. "Retributive runs into the problem of bringing in outside parties and starting whole new chains of vengeance and crime. But it's the most immediately emotionally appealing."

Re: Talk, Take Notes, Pass Notes, Etc. [Class 27]

[emo-padawan.livejournal.com]

"I think that the instinctual reaction for most beings is to reach for retributive justice," Anakin said, "to make someone else hurt as much as you hurt." He thought of what Obi-Wan had said to him that weekend. "But that's not necessarily true justice--it can lead to an endless cycle of violence, rather than fixing the original problem."

He frowned. "I think that the Jedi try for transformative justice--nipping problems early before they become huge issues. In aiming for transformative, I think we probably actually achieve restorative more often that not."

He smiled at Professor Tick. "And Obi-Wan wanted me to pass along his thanks for such an interesting class."

Re: Talk, Take Notes, Pass Notes, Etc. [Class 27]

[cameronmitchell.livejournal.com]

"I think that we could get the most benefit out of combining all three types of justice," Cameron said. "Although, retributive justice strikes me as something that's more meant to be a scaring tactic."

Re: Talk, Take Notes, Pass Notes, Etc. [Class 27]

[carter-i-am.livejournal.com]

"I think Restorative Justice is a fallacy," Sam argued. "There's no way you can be made whole after some of those crimes--if your house is broken into, for example, you may get your things back, and you may get over the immediate fear, but your sense of safety, of protection from that violation...it doesn't ever go away."

"And if you've been a victim of something more personal," she said, sadly, thinking of Jolinar, "you live with it every day, even if the person who committed the crime has been forgiven, done their time in prison, and moved on."

Re: Talk, Take Notes, Pass Notes, Etc. [Class 27]

[bridge-carson.livejournal.com]

Bridge raises his hand.

"What about Justice where the criminals are stored in playing cards?"

Turn Stuff In [Class 27]

[bugofjustice.livejournal.com]

Also what it says.

Re: Turn Stuff In [Class 27]

[notstakedyet.livejournal.com]

Metaphor:

Justice is a window of truth whose clarity confuses the birds of injustice, which is why they keep flying right into it and making that funny THWACK sound.

Extra credit:

I'll be going back to my home dimension and trying to start a business.

Re: Turn Stuff In [Class 27]

[fates_jaye]

Metaphor:

Justice is like a window to the soul of society. If it has one. Because, come on.

Extra credit:

Hiding out in a broom closet on the second floor so my parents can't find me and take me home.

Re: Turn Stuff In [Class 27]

[can_be_more]

Metaphor:

Justice is like a window, clean and shiny, a clear window that might have a few smudges on it but shows something or other.

I'm actually getting worse at these.

Extra credit:

I have no idea.

Re: Turn Stuff In [Class 27]

[janet_fraiser]

Janet looked a little woeful about the extra credit.

The plate glass window of Justice is easily smashed by the sledgehammer of iniquity. Or something like that. So you to guard your plate glass carefully.

And for the summer I'm going to be here. Because I have no place else to go, and thanks for bringing that up.

She didn't write down that last part, of course.

Re: Turn Stuff In [Class 27]

[carter-i-am.livejournal.com]

Metaphor:

The window of justice would be ugly without the squeegie of law to keep it clean and shiny and the glazier of police to keep it whole and in place.

Extra Credit:

I'll be here unless there's an alien invasion, SG-1 gets trapped offworld, or they need someone to cover while Colonel Carter goes on her honeymoon.

Re: Turn Stuff In [Class 27]

[actingltcrumpet.livejournal.com]

Metaphor

The glass of justice seems like such a simple, commonplace everyday thing, but one wonders how on earth we got along without it before it was invented.

. . . well, it made sense in his head.

Extra Credit

I might be here. I'm not sure. I have nowhere else to go anyhow.

Re: Turn Stuff In [Class 27]

[mparkerceo.livejournal.com]

The window of Justice is occasionally smeared with the fingerprints of those who want to open it to any burglar or bird flying by. But only the janitors of Law can keep it shiny and new through hard work, which allows us to view the world as it is, instead of as evildoers would have it.

Extra Credit:
Either here or Rio de Janeiro. Hopefully here, there's nothing interesting to do in Rio.

After Class [Class 27]

[bugofjustice.livejournal.com]

For Callisto, Janet, Marty, and Logan. Everyone in a different subthread, please.

Re: After Class [Class 27] - Callisto

[psycho-barbie.livejournal.com]

Callisto did not look nervous at all. "You wanted to talk to me Professor Tick?"

Re: After Class [Class 27]

[oatmanspatient.livejournal.com]

Marty approached Professor Tick with a bit of trepidation. "Hey Professor. Sorry I flaked out on classes for the last couple of weeks. Would I get any credit for saying that what I was doing was protecting the innocent from evil?"

Re: After Class [Class 27]

[fh_jackass]

"What's up?" Logan asked.

OOC [Class 27]

[bugofjustice.livejournal.com]

It's been so long since I've had this few threads that I swore I was missing some. It's good to have things back to normal.

Re: OOC [Class 27]

[marsheadtilt.livejournal.com]

So, yeah, given the plot that we *just* did? Veronica might be a little quiet today. Blame it on lingering effects of the pot brownies from last night.