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Ghanima Atreides ([personal profile] atreideslioness) wrote in [community profile] fandomhigh2017-10-16 09:33 am
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Diplomacy, Relationships & Tactics: the Art of War [Monday, Period 1]

"Today we are going to discuss the breaking-down of tactics and use of energy," Ghanima announced briskly. "Energy, to Tzu, was vital in the directing of a force, as was the endless combination of tactics at his disposal."

"First, tactics are not always as straight forward as they may seem." She turned away from them and quickly wrote out on the board;

10. In battle, there are not more than two methods
of attack--the direct and the indirect; yet these two
in combination give rise to an endless series of maneuvers.

11. The direct and the indirect lead on to each other in turn.
It is like moving in a circle--you never come to an end.
Who can exhaust the possibilities of their combination?


"Endless permutations, all made possible by the energy held by your troops." Ghanima continued to write, her slanted scrawl quickly filling the board as she spoke. "The limits only created by your own lack of imagination, and the strengths and weaknesses of your force."

21. The clever combatant looks to the effect of combined
energy, and does not require too much from individuals.
Hence his ability to pick out the right men and utilize
combined energy.

22. When he utilizes combined energy, his fighting
men become as it were like unto rolling logs or stones.
For it is the nature of a log or stone to remain
motionless on level ground, and to move when on a slope;
if four-cornered, to come to a standstill, but if
round-shaped, to go rolling down.

23. Thus the energy developed by good fighting men
is as the momentum of a round stone rolled down a mountain
thousands of feet in height. So much on the subject of energy.


"So. Energy feeding into tactics, and vice versa. What is an indirect tactic versus a direct one? How do you know? How does 'energy' work into it all?"

"Discuss."
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[personal profile] thatsweirdright 2017-10-16 07:56 pm (UTC)(link)
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Re: During the Lecture

[personal profile] in_sidon_we_trust 2017-10-16 06:36 pm (UTC)(link)
Goodness, but that was an awful lot of writing going on the board, and here Sidon had gotten quite lazy with his writing and reading with the vacation! Still, he persevered in writing it all down, scribbling as fast he could in Hylian so he could look it over later after his brain was a little less mired in vacation-mode!
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Re: During the Lecture

[personal profile] justice_undone 2017-10-16 07:45 pm (UTC)(link)
It was a poetic description. In some ways she could see herself in that combined energy, that is when she had been herself, a ship with ancillaries.
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Re: During the Lecture

[personal profile] era_two_triangle 2017-10-16 07:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Once again, Peridot was furiously tapping out notes on her phone. This lesson was an interesting one, she decided, and was thinking about her own tactics in the past and how they applied, here.
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Re: Discussion: Direct Tactics

[personal profile] justice_undone 2017-10-16 07:49 pm (UTC)(link)
"An obvious direct attack would be arriving with a superior force, of course," Breq said. "After that, there could be an indirect one of supporting the right group among your conquered enemies, trying to create dissent among them, and fuel it if it's already there."
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Re: Discussion: Direct Tactics

[personal profile] era_two_triangle 2017-10-16 07:51 pm (UTC)(link)
"A direct tactic would be... like a frontal assault," Peridot hedged, looking thoughtful. "Meeting an opponent on a field of combat, instead of luring them into a trap or trying to turn their own tactics against them?"

The direct route wasn't her style. Not in combat, at least.

"I'm not terribly direct when it comes to fighting," she noted. "But I'm told I'm... blunt... in conversation."
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Re: Discussion: Direct Tactics

[personal profile] justice_undone 2017-10-16 08:15 pm (UTC)(link)
"So tour style of conversation doesn't match your preferred way of fighting?"

Breq added a smile.
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Re: Discussion: Direct Tactics

[personal profile] era_two_triangle 2017-10-16 08:17 pm (UTC)(link)

"I don't enjoy being immediately in harm's way," Peridot replied, giving a little grin. "I'm made for thinking, not fighting, so I'd much rather set a trap that lets me sit back from a safe distance and watch. Or argue from a distance, for that matter."

Both had kind of backfired on her over the last couple of years, but that wasn't the point.

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Re: Discussion: Direct Tactics

[personal profile] justice_undone 2017-10-16 08:27 pm (UTC)(link)
"I'm not sure distance equals indirectness," Breq said. "Is blowing something up indirect?"

She had been at Garsedd. She had helped wiping out an entire system. That had been anything but indirect.
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Re: Discussion: Direct Tactics

[personal profile] era_two_triangle 2017-10-16 09:25 pm (UTC)(link)
Peridot considered that question for a moment, and then shrugged her shoulders.

"I suppose that depends on the method of blowing them up," she settled on. "A projectile explosive would definitely be direct, for example. A mine, something that depends on your enemy being in a particular place at a particular time... less direct?"

She frowned a little.

"Hypothetically speaking, of course. An ambush would be direct, two armies converging would be direct. Leaving a misirect and letting your enemy finish themselves off by not seeing any warning signs before walking into their own shattering, not... direct?" And then she tilted her head. "Or setting two enemies against one another and sitting back to watch them do the work for you, perhaps."
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Re: Discussion: Direct Tactics

[personal profile] justice_undone 2017-10-17 06:25 pm (UTC)(link)
"So, time is an aspect too," Breq said. "Which means making good prediction of their plans and their behaviour."

She thought for a moment, then added: "That last strategy is very efficient."

Setting up the different peoples that inhabited a planet against each other after an annexation made taking over much smoother, generally.
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Re: Discussion: Energy

[personal profile] in_sidon_we_trust 2017-10-16 06:39 pm (UTC)(link)
Sidon rather liked that line, energy may be likened to the bending of a crossbow; decision, to the releasing of a trigger, and it stuck to his brain like a mollusk.

"If energy is the bending of the crossbow and decision is the action that sets it into motion, then I suppose it suggests that energy means nothing unless there is decision behind it. One might have the energy to discuss and plan and make theories, but what good is it if you don't finally pull the trigger and go forth to use that energy?" he postulated.