http://professor-lyman.livejournal.com/ ([identity profile] professor-lyman.livejournal.com) wrote in [community profile] fandomhigh2014-09-05 12:43 pm
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American History: Lies Your Other Teachers Told You [Friday, September 4, 2014, 2nd period]

The teal deer were already gathering outside of Josh's classroom window in anticipation of his second class. So buckle up, kids. Josh likes to talk.

He turned to the wipeboard at the front of the classroom and scrawled, In fourteen hundred and ninety three, Columbus stole all that he could see, then smiled at the class. "A slightly updated version of one you might have heard as kids. There are two years that everyone remembers from US History: 1492 and 1776. You know the names of his ships: the Nina, the Pinta and the Heidy-Ho III."

That last one wasn't right. "And you know the story by heart. Born of humble parents in Genoa, Italy, Columbus became an experienced sailor. His adventures to Iceland and West Africa convinced him that the world was round, and he could get to the riches of the East by sailing West. He took this whackadoodle idea to every monarchy in Europe and none of them took him up on the idea until he reached Ferdinard and Isabella of Spain and they paid for his expedition. He sailed West, landed in the West Indies on October 12th and discovered the New World. He visited three more times, never fully realizing what he'd discovered, and died in obscurity." Josh shrugged. "Unfortunately, all of that stuff is either wrong or unverifiable. It makes for an easy story to feed to kids, though."

He sat back against his desk. "People from other continents had reached the Americas many times before 1492, and Europeans might have been fishing off of Newfoundland in the 1480s. No one with any kind of sense believed the world was flat any more. What made Columbus's voyage unique was how Europe responded this time, and so that means talking about what had shifted in European politics in the late 1400s. Europe wasn't becoming richer, like your other textbooks might have told you--it was actually poorer in the 15th Century than the 13th due to that pesky plague thing. The Turks also weren't cutting off the trade routes to China--they were making money off of it and that narrative is probably there reinforcing an anti-Islamic, pro-Western bent to most history books that also explains why they skip past how African explorers had discovered the Americas hundreds of years earlier but will mention the Irish guy taking a rowboat to Boston theory like it makes sense. The ability of Europe to colonize the Americas--land hundreds and thousands of miles away from countries laying claim--was one of the most significant moments in human history, but most books don't explain why, and that's because why doesn't leave us covered in glory."

Josh held up his fingers. "First thing that mattered: the military arms race, which still reverberates in our world today. European rulers learned how to make big guns and mount them on ships and having the biggest guns still matters. Europe's incessant wars against each other meant that they were really good at killing people when their attention shifted to the Ottoman Empire, China, and eventually, American indigenous populations. Second thing that mattered: the rise of bureaucracy and record-keeping. If you actually have accounts that add up, you can see who's ripping you off faster. If you take notes and have a printing press, more than just the people in Spain will hear about Columbus's exploits. Finally, to quote an '80s movie: greed was good. Amassing vast wealth and dominating other people was considered a mark of God's favor, and the religious proselytizing that rationalized conquest certainly didn't help the folks who were already living on Haiti when Columbus showed up and babbled at them in Spanish, giving them their one chance to convert to Catholicism before taking all of their stuff. Seriously, it was a half-step from an Eddie Izzard sketch.

"My question to you guys: why do you think textbooks tell Columbus's story the way they do? Is it that they're simply being written by European descended white guys? What do you think would change if we dropped the story we've learned and told the truth instead?"

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[identity profile] ultimatehottie.livejournal.com 2014-09-05 12:42 pm (UTC)(link)
Johnny Storm
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[personal profile] tigerundercover 2014-09-05 12:47 pm (UTC)(link)
Raven Darkholme
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[personal profile] stacyexperiment 2014-09-05 03:13 pm (UTC)(link)
Gwen Stacy
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[personal profile] wildandbrave 2014-09-05 04:05 pm (UTC)(link)
Cosette Fauchelevent
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[personal profile] pulseof_life 2014-09-05 06:14 pm (UTC)(link)
Paddra Nsu-Yeul

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[identity profile] kenselvren.livejournal.com 2014-09-05 10:29 pm (UTC)(link)
Jalian d'Arsennette y ken Selvren
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Re: Listen to the lecture

[personal profile] flickofthewrist 2014-09-05 12:10 pm (UTC)(link)
That was a lot of lecture, yes indeed. Flick followed along for the most part but got lost a few times. So many words.
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[personal profile] tigerundercover 2014-09-05 12:48 pm (UTC)(link)
Raven started out kind of bored, but it quickly changed into deep irritation. Not with the lecture. With the fact that the douchey guy Josh was describing had his own federal holiday.
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[personal profile] stacyexperiment 2014-09-05 03:58 pm (UTC)(link)
Huh. Okay, so this was definitely more honest than any history class Gwen had ever had before. Cool.

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[identity profile] kenselvren.livejournal.com 2014-09-05 10:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Jalian tried to pay attention, but the fact that she didn't understand half of what he was talking about didn't help.
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Re: Discuss!

[personal profile] flickofthewrist 2014-09-05 12:13 pm (UTC)(link)
"European descended white guys wanna make it seem like they did anything and everything," Flick said, nodding. "Make themselves look big and bad, important and make sure everyone else knows it so they'll never be forgotten but they won't be forgotten for something good."
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[personal profile] tigerundercover 2014-09-05 12:50 pm (UTC)(link)
"That," Raven said, gesturing to Flick. "And they all probably think they really did something good, because they won, right? So they must be the best."
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[personal profile] flickofthewrist 2014-09-05 01:54 pm (UTC)(link)
"And we all know how much people wanna brag and be famous for whatever thing they can be no matter if it's wrong or right," Flick agreed. "They focus on the good and just hope everyone forgets about the horrible crap."
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[personal profile] tigerundercover 2014-09-05 02:37 pm (UTC)(link)
"Or that they won't even care. They're just Indians after all. Savages. Not good, civilized folk."

Raven could technically roll her eyes harder, but it'd involve a shift in her facial structure. She'd maybe experienced more than a bit of the "just savages" mindset herself, when she was small.

Re: Discuss!

[identity profile] ultimatehottie.livejournal.com 2014-09-05 12:53 pm (UTC)(link)
"If it was just about the European white guys, we'd be more focused on the Vikings who got here way before Columbus," Johnny said. "I think it's more about the press. If you say you were the first and write books about brig the first and write kids rhymes about being the first, most people are going to think you were first, even if they're saying they discovered a place that already has people in it."

"That's why I made sure I have a good publicist."
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[personal profile] tigerundercover 2014-09-05 02:38 pm (UTC)(link)
". . . Why do you need a publicist?"

Sorry, Johnny.

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[identity profile] ultimatehottie.livejournal.com 2014-09-05 03:25 pm (UTC)(link)
For what, an excuse to tell a pretty girl about himself. "I'm famous for being a superhero in my world. One of the first, one of the most public," Johnny said. "She keeps me in the good tabloids and gets my band some attention. It goes hand in hand with saving the world."
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[personal profile] tigerundercover 2014-09-05 03:28 pm (UTC)(link)
"You're a superhero?" Raven was suitably impressed. "Do you leap tall buildings in a single bound?" She . . . was also from the 1950s. Not much by way of superheroes around outside comic books in her world, just yet.

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[identity profile] ultimatehottie.livejournal.com 2014-09-05 04:11 pm (UTC)(link)
"Better than that," Johnny bragged. "I can fly, control fire, create a fire aura aroun myself. So what I'm saying is that I'm hot in a bunch of ways."
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[personal profile] tigerundercover 2014-09-05 06:10 pm (UTC)(link)
"Oh wow," Raven said. "Are you a mutant?"

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[identity profile] ultimatehottie.livejournal.com 2014-09-05 06:18 pm (UTC)(link)
"No, just the result of somebody's bad math screwing up a thing," Johnny said. "But I am mutant-friendly. Me and the X-Men go way back."

"Well, me and a few X-Men do. Depends on how you define 'way back.'"
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[personal profile] tigerundercover 2014-09-05 06:29 pm (UTC)(link)
"Who are the X-Men?" Yeah, he and the X-men definitely didn't go back as far as Raven did.

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[identity profile] ultimatehottie.livejournal.com 2014-09-05 06:48 pm (UTC)(link)
"I have to stop name dropping with alternate universes," Johnny muttered. "Mutant superheroes, protecting a world that hates and fears them. They were on the cover of Time a while ago."
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[personal profile] tigerundercover 2014-09-05 06:55 pm (UTC)(link)
"That seems kind of dumb. As I recall, when people hate and fear you, they usually try to kill you, too. I'm not going to protect someone trying to kill me."

Sorry, Charles, looked like you weren't quite that good of an influence on Raven after all.

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[identity profile] ultimatehottie.livejournal.com 2014-09-05 07:19 pm (UTC)(link)
"Why they do it is their business. I just care that they're being helpful with saving lives and that kind of stuff. Even better if they win over any support for their cause," Johnny said. "I'm kind of surprised that you know about mutants but not the X-Men. Is the whole mutant thing a big issue in your world?"
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[personal profile] tigerundercover 2014-09-05 07:21 pm (UTC)(link)
"Not yet," Raven said. "It's only 1954 back home. I think we're still getting started." She tilted her head. "Why are they called 'X-men'? Are they trying to say they're no longer men?"

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[identity profile] ultimatehottie.livejournal.com 2014-09-05 08:53 pm (UTC)(link)
"The guy who put them together is in love with his last initial or something. Which is a shame, because the whole name is badass. But I guess the Xavier Men is too clunky," Johnny said.
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[personal profile] tigerundercover 2014-09-05 08:57 pm (UTC)(link)
Raven blinked at that.

No. No way.

"Is that, uh, his first or last name?"

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[identity profile] ultimatehottie.livejournal.com 2014-09-05 09:01 pm (UTC)(link)
"Last name," Johnny said. "Charles Xavier. He's kind of a big shot." Wait, Magneto killed him right after the wave, didn't he? Johnny had his own things to occupy his time during and for a while after that, so he wasn't fully sure of the news from then.
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[personal profile] tigerundercover 2014-09-05 09:03 pm (UTC)(link)
Raven barked out a laugh and covered her mouth, grinning. "Up in Westchester?" she asked, unable to keep from giggling.

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[identity profile] ultimatehottie.livejournal.com 2014-09-05 09:25 pm (UTC)(link)
"That sounds right. You know the guy?" Johnny asked.
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[personal profile] tigerundercover 2014-09-05 10:10 pm (UTC)(link)
Raven let out another full throated laugh. "He's my brother," she said. "He's supposed to go study genetics, but it'd be just like him to decide to throw himself into superheroing." She shook her head. "I wonder why no one else ever mentioned that? There's loads of people here who know about mutants, but no one ever seemed to know his name."

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[identity profile] ultimatehottie.livejournal.com 2014-09-05 11:47 pm (UTC)(link)
"Maybe other people are less confident about messing with the future," Johnny said. "But I've time traveled enough to know that it should be fine."

Unless she asked any questions about Charles in the present tense.
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[personal profile] tigerundercover 2014-09-05 11:55 pm (UTC)(link)
That really wasn't terribly likely. She'd already assumed he was just trucking along with his "X-Men".

"I don't really see how telling me what my brother does is going to mess up any time travel things. I'm already in the future, isn't that messed up enough?"

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[identity profile] ultimatehottie.livejournal.com 2014-09-06 12:09 am (UTC)(link)
"Exactly," Johnny said. "It's nice to have someone on the same wavelength with this stuff. I know a guy who could talk me to death about what the problems are with that. But hey, I just told you and the universe didn't explode."
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[personal profile] tigerundercover 2014-09-06 12:10 am (UTC)(link)
"If that were at all likely, then it probably shouldn't be letting kids go to school together from all kinds of timelines anyway."
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[personal profile] stacyexperiment 2014-09-05 04:03 pm (UTC)(link)
"Well, they say whoever wins is the one who gets to write history, right?" Gwen said. "The European white guys were pretty much winning back then, till people started coming over here to live because they were sick of all that and then they became the bad guys. I mean, I like having a day off, but it's gross."

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[identity profile] nobodysbatman.livejournal.com 2014-09-05 04:33 pm (UTC)(link)
Honestly, the whole Columbus narrative might not have struck such a nerve with Scott a year ago, before the whole werewolf thing happened and he found himself head over heels for a girl who came from a family with a history of hunting people like him. The Argents definitely believed they were doing the right thing, but as the person with the crossbow pointed at him (only metaphorically, at this particular moment), Scott couldn't exactly agree. "It's about making people feel good about our history, isn't it? Like, if we say Columbus was a good guy, then all the stuff he did was good, right? Never mind that there were already people who were getting along just fine before he showed up."

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[identity profile] kenselvren.livejournal.com 2014-09-05 10:37 pm (UTC)(link)
Jalian frowned. How was she supposed to discuss this? "What New World did he discover? And what is 'whackadoodle'?" Europe...that was east of where they were, wasn't it?
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[personal profile] spin_kick_snap 2014-09-05 07:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Kathy is off pronking with Nikolai, sorry!