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Anakin Skywalker ([personal profile] sith_happened) wrote in [community profile] fandomhigh2012-02-02 08:25 am
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Ethics [Thursday, February 2]

Anakin had seen many horrible things over the course of his life: torture of indivduals, deaths of planets, Palpatine with his hood down...but he had not been expecting a creepy doll waiting for him in his office crying for its Mama as it hovered. And before coffee, of all things. So if he was here looking slightly more...awake...than usual, blame that.

"Morning, class," Anakin said leaning against his desk at the front and keeping his eyes peeled for other dolls. "Today we learn about Immanuel Kant," he began, gesturing to the TAs to hand out information on the man. "He was an influential German philosopher on this planet several hundred years ago who thought every action should have pure intention behind it; otherwise it was meaningless. He did not necessarily believe that the final result was the most important aspect of an action, but that how the person felt while carrying out the action was the time at which value was set to the result."

In his mind, Anakin could hear Obi-Wan nattering on about how many of the truths people cling to depending upon their point of view. He shook his head to clear it and continued. "In other words, it's not the results that make something moral but why you made that decision, and Kant believed that only decisions made purely out of duty have moral worth. For instance, Kant spoke of a shopkeeper who passed up the chance to shortchange a customer only because his business might suffer if other customers found out.  According to Kant, the shopkeeper’s action had no moral worth because he did the right thing for the wrong reason."

He paced the room. "What do you think of Kant's conclusion? Is he being too hard on that shopkeeper? What of people who are in the habit of being good without thinking? Is that being moral, or just being conditioned to interact correctly with society?"

He glanced around the room. "And if you see any, um, creepy dolls, raise your hand or shriek or something, all right?"

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Simon Bellamy

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Dave Nelson

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[identity profile] iwishiwasbig.livejournal.com 2012-02-02 01:53 pm (UTC)(link)
Immanuel Kant was a real pissant who was very rarely stable.

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Stacey McGill

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[identity profile] ihavediabetes.livejournal.com 2012-02-02 02:35 pm (UTC)(link)
Stacey hadn't seen any creepy dolls yet. And now, even though she wasn't sure he was serious, she was still checking the floor to make sure there were none around as soon as he mentioned them.

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Gabrielle

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Gabrielle hadn't run into any dolls yet, so she wasn't prepared to raise her hand or shriek. She did listen to the lecture carefully, though, chewing on her lip in thought.

It was a really good thing to chew on (metaphorically), actually. Huh.

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[identity profile] ancientbschamp.livejournal.com 2012-02-02 03:23 pm (UTC)(link)
Yep, Gabrielle was around to talk to! Once she was done with her part of handing out papers, anyway.

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[identity profile] ancientbschamp.livejournal.com 2012-02-02 03:28 pm (UTC)(link)
"I don't know how moral it is if someone is being good without thinking about it," Gabrielle offered. "It's admirable, but not exactly moral if there isn't any belief in the right thing to do behind it, is it?"

"Besides," she added, thinking of Vanessa and the Pomira, "good according to which society? You can have one group of people who believe that natural resources are there for us to use as we see fit, and another who believe strongly that the way the first group uses those resources is disrespectful to the earth, or to their gods. To that second group it might be the right thing to do to stop the first group by whatever means necessary, and I think it's safe to say the first group would disagree. So whose definition of good do we mean?"

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Dorothy Gale

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[identity profile] cant-be-helped.livejournal.com 2012-02-02 06:12 pm (UTC)(link)
"Shouldn't it only matter if people are good, no matter the reason?" Dorothy asked, not quite answering either question. "I don't know if the reasoning is so important if it ends up with everyone being good."

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Kate Daniels

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[identity profile] cant-be-helped.livejournal.com 2012-02-02 07:05 pm (UTC)(link)
"Well, I think it's hardly right to think people are born evil," Dorothy said. "In fact, I don't think many people do what they think is wrong. Most do what they think is right, it just seems wrong to other people."
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Alex Aaron

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[identity profile] ancientbschamp.livejournal.com 2012-02-02 07:53 pm (UTC)(link)
"I don't know," Gabrielle admitted, "but I have to wonder if he'd change his mind if he had the advantage of living somewhere like this."

She rustled the handout she was holding.

"It says here that he never traveled more than ten miles from home. I have to think he had a real disadvantage there. Never really getting to see how other people live, or how they think, or the kind of experiences they go through . . . it's one thing to hear stories, but."

She smiled. "That's never, ever the same as the real thing."

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[identity profile] cant-be-helped.livejournal.com 2012-02-02 08:13 pm (UTC)(link)
"If he only believes that people should act from their own thoughts, then yes," Dorothy said. "But that means that there's not real right or wrong, only... relative right and wrong?"

That didn't sound right to her, even if she seemingly agreed with the idea.

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Jim Hawkins

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[identity profile] answer2bheard.livejournal.com 2012-02-02 11:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Jim? Also totally here after the obligatory paper handing-out. And keeping an eye open for dolls.

That part seemed kind of important today.
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Loki Laufeyson
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Sam Puckett
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[personal profile] abitlowkey 2012-02-03 12:23 am (UTC)(link)
"How would one know what is good?" Loki asked thoughtfully. "If one lived within a vacuum, it would be impossible to tell as only how your actions affect others is the proper measure. Which implies that morality is conditioned into one. The implication further implies that, left to their own devices, a being could be unimaginably evil."
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[personal profile] hurtingzeebo 2012-02-03 12:25 am (UTC)(link)
Sam spotted a pale, black-eyed doll staring at her from just behind the desk next to hers.

She neither raised her hand nor shrieked. She pretended to listen to the lecture while lulling the doll into a false sense of security, then shot out her hand, grabbed it, and shoved it into her backpack.

What? Who knew when one of those things would come in handy?

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