http://ihatedenmark.livejournal.com/ ([identity profile] ihatedenmark.livejournal.com) wrote in [community profile] fandomhigh2005-11-07 07:41 pm
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Fencing Club

*The gym is set up a little differently this week. In addition to the regular fencing equipment and gear, there' also been a TV/VCR combo set-up in one corner of the room.*


Welcome to this week's Fencing Club. For those of you who are already experienced swordfighters, you may feel free to skip this and proceed straight to your practice. For those of you who are less experience, I have acquired a video that covers the main equipment of fencing, and the basic ways in which to use it. I hope that it will prove educational.

As always, please remember to sign in on the sheet in order to receive credit for this extracurricular activity.

[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_wespryce/ 2005-11-08 04:02 am (UTC)(link)
[Go you with the nerditude. I don't see FH having full facilities for electronic scoring, do you? Good old-fashioned calling your hits, with the good old-fashioned arguments that ensue.]

More nerditude...

[identity profile] kikidelivers.livejournal.com 2005-11-08 04:31 am (UTC)(link)
[The set-up is actually not that complicated (expensive, yes, complicated, no). For one, having the grounded strip (the metal mat on the floor) is unnecessary for foil and can be gotten around in epee by having additional judges who watch for floor touches.

For a strip, all that is required would be lines painted on the wooden gymnasium floor, just like for basketball: 2m by 14m, with a halfway mark at 7m, warning lines at 2m from each end, and on guard lines 3m inwards from each of those. Scoring machines (http://www.absolutefencinggear.com/shopping/product_info.php/cPath/58_59/products_id/577?osCsid=931baea5f7b48fdaefb9178ee0dd3d7b) run from about $350 to as much as $2,000 USD. Reels (http://www.absolutefencinggear.com/shopping/product_info.php/cPath/58_59/products_id/584?osCsid=931baea5f7b48fdaefb9178ee0dd3d7b) are about $400 a piece. Floor cords are probably around $40, so an entire strip can be purchased for around $1,500 USD. Unless they are being set up in a permanant salle, there is no reason not to break down the strips at the end of every practice and storing this with the other equipment.

Prior to electric scoring, they put chalk at the end of the foils and epees to make marks on the opponant's jacket and thus indicate the location of the touch. For sabre, you acknowledged if you were hit. Naturally, this led to many sabrists gritting their teeth and saying, "No, I wasn't hit" while gripping their sabre to keep from howling from the pain of the growing welt on their arm. Incidently, having electronic scoring does nothing to prevent arguments from happening, just changes the focus and who is doing the arguing.

Anyway, since Kiki isn't even IN the Fencing Club, I don't really know how Hamlet is running things or envisioning them, I just follow the posts because I am a total junkie.]

The Fencing Personality

[identity profile] kikidelivers.livejournal.com 2005-11-08 05:36 am (UTC)(link)
[Believe me, I have been VERY tempted! I'm trying to figure out what reason Kiki would have for it, though... I mean, I don't want to make Kiki a complete me-clone!

Well, just to give you a crash course: Fencing is chess at 100 mph. In the Olympic games, there is only one object that is actually faster than the tip of a fencing blade, and that is the bullet in shooting sports. The three weapons in sport fencing most definitely have an appeal based on personality. When meeting a prospective fencer, an experienced one can tell within 5 - 10 minutes what weapon that fencer will choose (some clubs start all beginning fencers on foil. We think that is silly!)

Sabre is most certainly built on the dashy, brashy and flashy. Very extraverted people gravitate towards this weapon. It's extremely fast, actions are quick, and exchanges rarely last more than a few seconds. I have never seen a bout last longer than 1 minute, let alone go to 3! Sabrists have a (somewhat deserved) reputation of being brutes, knuckle-draggers, neanderthals, linebackers, etc. In spite of that, in well-fenced sabre there is a lot of finesse and grace. The intensity of it (as well as the extra layer of clothing with the lame) makes it incredibly physically demanding for over many sequential short bursts.

Epee is for the psychology student; sometimes the quiet ones, but I know plenty that are as loud and swaggering as any sabrist. Epee is all about entrapment, trickery, subtlety and capitalizing on your opponants mistake at just the right moment - or, rather, tricking them into making a mistake and then taking advantage of it, all while they are trying to do the same thing. It's a weapon for the patient and the manipulative, and those who like mind games. At the beginner or collegiate level, this means that epee is god-awful slow and painfully boring. Especially in the women's bouts, the fencers stand there and just tink around for 30 seconds and nothing. Happens. 30 seconds does not sound long, but it's an eternity in fencing time. At the World Cup or Olympic level, it is mind-boggling. Epees are the heaviest and largest weapon, which makes this a lesson in endurance as well as patience. Epee is also notorious for cheating.

Foil, the oldest weapon, is also the middle of the road. It has both the speed element of sabre as well as some of the mind games of epee. It is taxing both physically as well as mentally - the bouts last much longer than sabre bouts, and often even longer than epee bouts, but the intensity of the action can be as high as that of sabre - and, at the same time, the fencer still must be working to take advantage of every opening, just like epee. Foil has skill, speed, finesse, grace, and intensity (I'm trying really hard not to say "Foil is the best because it IS," ha!) Foilists have a reputation of being sometimes a little stuck-up, occasionally vindictive, but very nice and quite intelligent off the strip. Due to some recent changes in the weapon, more bouts than ever are running to time, making it a very tiring weapon to fence - it's like long-distance running, but without the mental zen-out place. Moreso than the other weapons, this is chess at 100 mph.

Fencers - at least, at the collegiate, National Championship, World Cup, and Olympic level - also tend to have a minor reputation of being hard drinkers: Sabrists slam the whiskey and tequila shots, epeeists sip the wine, and foilists go for the beer and mixed drinks.

[identity profile] kikidelivers.livejournal.com 2005-11-08 05:56 am (UTC)(link)
[I can give you more tomorrow. I just realized it's 1 am and I have to get up and go to work tomorrow. *grumble*]

[identity profile] kikidelivers.livejournal.com 2005-11-08 05:46 am (UTC)(link)
[*blush* Thanks :) It was a pretty good tourney, I had fun and fenced alright (http://www.livejournal.com/users/idadebeautreux/362416.html).]

[ps: Your user info? Rocks.]

[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_wespryce/ 2005-11-08 06:06 am (UTC)(link)
[Aw. Thanks so much.]