http://worsethanaunts.livejournal.com/ ([identity profile] worsethanaunts.livejournal.com) wrote in [community profile] fandomhigh2010-07-27 10:37 pm
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Practical Crisis Problem Solving - Danger Shop, Tuesday, Period 3 (11am-12pm)

The Doctor's TAs were noticeably absent and that bothered him. That was only one reason why he looked irritable as he paced the room that looked like your average generic high-tech control room. The other reason, well, one of the other reasons was the topic at hand.

"Compassion. If you don't know what it is, look in the Wikipedia and don't bother me today. If you do know what it is, then you'll understand what we're doing today. Any species can develop enough technologically to be considered advanced. It's the social development, the interconnectedness with the rest of the universe and how one holds oneself in standing with the rest of existence that truly determines how advanced a species is.

Having compassion and exercising compassion differ. One is a feeling, a built-in empathy, an emotional response. The other is a choice, a moral dilemma that many of you will have to face at some point. Exercising compassion isn't easy. It shouldn't always be. It's the choices you make when it isn't easy that make compassion as important as it is."

The Doctor gestured around him. "All hypothetical here, but the emotion is real. We're in a control room under Fandom Island." It wasn't a recreation of the actual control room; this was just something that looked fancy and high-tech enough to do the job. "This is what makes it tick. It's what keeps the island as an access point to the many, many different universes and time periods. You'd need an incredible amount of power to keep that going as long as it has. Ever wonder what does it?" He pointed to a pulse beam that kept shooting electricity into what looked like a large, exposed brain.

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[identity profile] daventryprince.livejournal.com 2010-07-27 01:00 pm (UTC)(link)
Prince Alexander of Daventry
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[personal profile] notagoose 2010-07-27 01:12 pm (UTC)(link)
Shane Gooseman
ashockingbitch: (HM - b&w napping)

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[personal profile] ashockingbitch 2010-07-28 04:06 am (UTC)(link)
Jenny Sparks
living_endless: ([neu] not sure what you're getting at)

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[personal profile] living_endless 2010-07-27 01:15 pm (UTC)(link)
"How does the whale feel about it?" Didi asked, then seemed to understand it sounded like a dumb question. "Nothing likes being tortured. Almost nothing. But if the whale's sentient, if it understand how much good it's doing, it might see its individual sacrifice as being worth the pain. That's how soldiers think, right?"

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[identity profile] daventryprince.livejournal.com 2010-07-27 01:31 pm (UTC)(link)
"Not just soldiers."

Alexander had resolved to, for the most part, remain quiet on this topic, but the girl's comments rang close enough to his own that he felt to make at least a response. He gave a wavering, weak smile, clearly a little forced.

"And if he's the last of his kind, perhaps it really isn't that bad for him at all. I mean, it could just be better than some of...the alternatives."
living_endless: ([spec] the sound of her wings)

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[personal profile] living_endless 2010-07-27 02:05 pm (UTC)(link)
"That's the thing, isn't it," Didi said, aiming a slight smile back at the young men. "If it's the last of its kind, maybe it wants to do as much good for the universe as it can before it has to go. We can't know without asking it.

"The question," she added, "is what we should do if we can't communicate with it. But I think we can."

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[identity profile] theotherpeter.livejournal.com 2010-07-27 02:53 pm (UTC)(link)
Peter interjected at that point. "If we think it wants to do this, why are we torturing it? Congratulations, you want to help, sit on this electric chair for the rest of your life?"
living_endless: ([neu] really?)

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[personal profile] living_endless 2010-07-27 02:55 pm (UTC)(link)
"Do you think sentient beings have the right to make choices we wouldn't make?" Didi asked. "In general."

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[identity profile] theotherpeter.livejournal.com 2010-07-27 03:08 pm (UTC)(link)
"Yes," Peter said. "That's the joy of free will and general freedom. But I'm wondering about the ethics of resorting to torture instead of some other option. Because it can't be just cut and dried, torture or no island. That's too basic."

He was doubling back on his previous statement about no debate, really. But he was thinking a little more clearly now.
living_endless: ([pos] you might be okay)

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[personal profile] living_endless 2010-07-27 04:09 pm (UTC)(link)
"It is, and I feel like there has to be a third way," Didi nodded. "But if the whale volunteered, if it's willing to sacrifice its own comfort so the island can be here ... we should certainly do everything we can to make it comfortable. But I don't know if we should force it to move because watching it makes us uncomfortable."

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[identity profile] theotherpeter.livejournal.com 2010-07-27 04:16 pm (UTC)(link)
"I know on my part?" Peter said. "I'd move away if it was still going to be there. I'm glad this is all hypothetical, because if this thing really was under the island I'd probably throw up."
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[personal profile] living_endless 2010-07-27 05:13 pm (UTC)(link)
"Okay, but you have someplace to go if you move away, right?" Didi asked. "What about people who don't? Or people who'd be killed or hurt if they went home. They exist. Is it okay to make them leave so we aren't hurting the whale?"

Didi was also glad this was all hypothetical, and she considered that as she continued. "But if the whale doesn't want to be there, or we can't tell, I agree that we should evacuate and find other places for people who can't go home."
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[identity profile] theotherpeter.livejournal.com 2010-07-27 05:35 pm (UTC)(link)
"Well, people could always go to different universes," Peter said. "Trapped forever, but it's better than dying."

Ironic. Not that he knew it.

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[identity profile] daventryprince.livejournal.com 2010-07-27 01:24 pm (UTC)(link)
Each jolt to the star whale, each sound it made in response, made Alexander wince and look toward the door with a pained expression that wondered why this couldn't have been the class where they had the option to stay or go.

It wasn't sympathy that made him wince; it was empathy. He wasn't the last of his kind, nor had he been toting along a school and being shocked quite as frequently, but he had been the enslaved whipping boy of a maniacle, tyranical wizard most of his life, and scars like that didn't fade.

And this was another situation not so easily solved by turning someone into a cat, either.

For the longest time, Alexander didn't know what to say. He didn't know what he could say. He just felt that he could only look down at the star whale and think, as if he could communicate with him telepathetically, Well, what do you want, big fellow? Because he remembered, he probably would have never even done anything to change his fate at all until he found out Manannan was going to kill him. Any life at all was fine as long as it was a life, but all of that bordered on too many things he didn't exactly want to bring up and explore in the middle of a class.

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[identity profile] theotherpeter.livejournal.com 2010-07-27 01:34 pm (UTC)(link)
"Evacuate the island," Peter said. "And then set it free. No debate."

Torturing a sentient creature for something that was, essentially, a luxury was abhorrent. It felt like... what if everytime you used a remote control, you shocked a puppy?

He stored that thought away, it'd be good in case anyone wanted to argue.

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[identity profile] redandblueblur.livejournal.com 2010-07-27 03:36 pm (UTC)(link)
"Agreed," Clark said, looking firm. And really, why repeat what Peter had already said. By his own moral set, it would be wrong to keep anything locked up this way just so they could have the home they liked.

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[identity profile] theotherpeter.livejournal.com 2010-07-27 03:48 pm (UTC)(link)
Peter gave Clark a nod, thankful for the agreement. "It's just not worth the cost."

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[identity profile] elephantgadget.livejournal.com 2010-07-27 05:19 pm (UTC)(link)
"It's not," Helen agreed. "It has to stop."

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[identity profile] give-areason.livejournal.com 2010-07-27 01:44 pm (UTC)(link)
She studied the whale with cool eyes that gave away nothing of her thoughts or opinions about the situation.

Most of her suggestions in the attempt to find a possible solution to this dilemma were things that involved rather more than discussion. Rosalind might not have been the most tactful of people around, but it didn’t take a genius to guess that suggesting that they experiment while the whale continued to be in agony would go over well.

Though, she allowed, it would probably go over better than her other thought. Which was: let the whale stay there.

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[identity profile] abetterthief.livejournal.com 2010-07-27 02:53 pm (UTC)(link)
Parker knew she had problems understanding feelings of others and reacting properly to them, but she didn't know how she anyone could react to this other that with shock and horror. "It's wrong," she said. "You can't make something good out of hurting something like that."
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[personal profile] dontvotemeout 2010-07-27 03:36 pm (UTC)(link)
Jason was not a naturally compassionate person, but even he had to flinch at the sounds the animal was making. It was different to think about compassion when you were only dealing with people, many of whom were significantly flawed, even if they were nice too. But the star whale clearly couldn't defend itself, and that made Jason's decision a lot harder.

"I guess everyone could go home, and then the creature could be set free," he said. "If everyone had to stay and be cut off from home in order for the whale to be freed, that might be different. Then everyone would suffer."

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[identity profile] squire-hand.livejournal.com 2010-07-27 10:08 pm (UTC)(link)
James winced at the sound. "Turn it off," he said flatly.
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[personal profile] ashockingbitch 2010-07-28 04:43 am (UTC)(link)
"Obviously, now that we're aware of the situation, it's not acceptable to allow it to continue," Jenny said. "Are we referring to the Bleed when you say cut loose between universes? Because I used to live in the Bleed, and can still access Doors through it, so that would fix one of our problems. Otherwise, if it's massive amounts of electricity you need, I volunteer as an alternative power source until we can get a proper baby universe or something in here."