http://glasses-justice.livejournal.com/ ([identity profile] glasses-justice.livejournal.com) wrote in [community profile] fandomhigh2010-03-16 03:03 pm
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Concepts of Justice and The Law [Period 4, Class #10, Mar 16]

"The human element," Alex said, her voice more flat than its usual. "That's today's topic. We've been dealing with the gray areas in this class, and as a result, I've been championing the human element. We don't mindlessly apply the law: we have a jury of twelve average citizens determine the accused's fate. Sounds good, right? A great way of making sure the law isn't cold and analytical. Unfortunately, it's not that simple. The human element also introduces human flaws.

"Jury nullification is what happens when a jury chooses a verdict that doesn't agree with the rule of law. A man is arrested for possession of marijuana, which he obtained as pain-relief for his cancer-stricken wife. The man admits to doing it, but says his wife mattered more to him than the law. The jury finds him not guilty, because they believe the law should not be enforced in this case. If enough juries don't convict under a particular law, that can help sway the lawmakers to repeal it. That's the good side of it."

She took a deep breath before continuing, a grim expression on her face. "The bad side is when people's own prejudices get the better of them. For example, a police officer is accused of brutality against a suspect, and is placed on trial. The police officer is acquitted. If the officer and jury all belong to a majority group, and the suspect an oppressed minority, it's possible that the jury looked the other way. There are instances of punishments being diminished in cases where the victim might have been acting in a way that the jury wishes to disapprove of. That woman is promiscuous, and she was dressed provocatively; this somehow should be applied to the considerations if the woman is forcibly raped."

It was rare that Alex lost faith in the justice system: when she did, it bothered her in ways she couldn't put words to.

"The effect is amplified if the victim is the member of a group that the average citizen does not, to put it bluntly, care about. A prostitute is gang-raped, a drug addict is beaten, a homeless man is killed. Those people are other, so convicting their assailants is less important than it would be if the rape victim was a fresh-faced college girl, or the murdered man was a local businessman."

"The human element means that you get all of it -- the prejudice, the blind spots, the ability to blame the victim for a crime. There's really no good work-around, unless you'd rather have the sterility of mandatory punishments for offenses. I welcome other suggestions."
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[personal profile] bitten_notshy 2010-03-16 08:05 pm (UTC)(link)
"I don't think the government should be allowed a second trial," Jack began. "That would allow them to punish someone by keeping them in a loop of trials forever, until the government's luck changed."

"But if juries refuse to convict because a law is unfair -- like in your marijuana example -- I think the lawmakers should look at that law. Though I wouldn't say that's true if it's a law protecting minority groups. The state should hold itself to a higher standard than civilians, there."
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[personal profile] likethegun 2010-03-16 10:41 pm (UTC)(link)
"This is one of those things where it really depends on the situation," Sam said, looking uncomfortable as he tried to put his thoughts into words. "I want to say that yes, the government should be able to try a case again if someone is getting away with a crime and they shouldn't, but who's to say a corrupt government wouldn't abuse that privilege? The only thing I'm really sure about is that yes, if a jury fails to convict enough times because a law is unfair, then the law should be examined and possibly taken off the books."

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[identity profile] bigbadgunn.livejournal.com 2010-03-17 01:06 am (UTC)(link)
"Isn't that where civil cases come into play?" Gunn asked, for once looking serious.

Re: Discussion - Travesties of Justice - JST10

[identity profile] bigbadgunn.livejournal.com 2010-03-17 03:21 am (UTC)(link)
"Nah," Gunn chuckled ruefully. "I'm just remembering OJ's trials, man. There's no way a guy like me could sue anyone for anything."

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[identity profile] bamf-tastic.livejournal.com 2010-03-17 01:17 am (UTC)(link)
"What if... Can the jury change the charges?" Kurt asked. "Like, instead of guilty or not guilty, find the defendant SORT OF guilty, and give them less jail time?"

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[identity profile] bamf-tastic.livejournal.com 2010-03-17 03:16 am (UTC)(link)
"But if you don't include it, the jury doesn't have the option? That's... not an easy tradeoff."