http://notsobadatall.livejournal.com/ ([identity profile] notsobadatall.livejournal.com) wrote in [community profile] fandomhigh2010-01-13 11:52 am
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History of Medicine - Second Period - Wednesday, 1/13

The Danger shop was once more doing it's duty in... looking exactly like a normal classroom. One day, someone was going to ask him about this. For today, however, Nick was smiling and leaning against his desk as the class walked in.

"Welcome in," he said cheerfully, "and let's get started."

Nick pushed himself away from his desk and walked to the chalk board.

"Medicine got its start very early, as early as most important parts of life: in the prehistoric era. Now, as you might have guessed from the name of the class, there was a certain amount of mysticism involved in early medicine. Of course, people weren't stupid. If you fell and scrapped your knee, they didn't blame anyone but you. Even something like a cold was probably diagnosed by simple observation. We even have proof that prehistoric societies used plants and funguses to treat things like internal parasites. Geophagy is thought to have been practiced as well which, if you didn't know, is a rather widespread practice in the animal kingdom that involves eating dirt or clays for the minerals in them. You might also be surprised to learn that some prehistoric societies even practiced a form of brain surgery, specifically to relieve pressure on the brain and, possibly, to 'release evil spirits'. That's the thing, though: the more complex medical issues, illnesses with no visible connection to anything, were of course blamed on mystical forces.

"Sometimes these were from the outside, natural spirits, and others were thought to have come from sorcerers and the like. That's why the one who usually took care of a group or tribe or village was the shaman.

"Now," and he held up a finger, "I want to be clear that this it the generally accepted term for the role anthropologically, but the only shaman, or šamán you'd ever find would be from the cultures of ancient Siberia. Most cultures had their own name for this sort of thing, but we use this umbrella term to make it easier to discuss."

Mini-lecture over, Nick continued.

"Most of us have some idea of what a shaman was. He was a spiritual adviser, as well as a healer, and usually the person who helped mediate things within the group. Much of their wisdom in healing was taken from trial and error, but other things were supposedly learned through spiritual methods, 'spirit walks' and other metaphysical explorations."

His eyes darkened a little as he thought of a certain woman from his past. The full-scale flashback was only held at bay by the fact that he wanted to get to the rest of the class.

"Now, I'd like to do a discussion for the rest of class. I've assigned Claire and Savannah as my teaching assistants, so if you need anything in this or other classes, catch their eye if you can't catch mine."

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Re: Sign In

[identity profile] she-sheds.livejournal.com 2010-01-14 01:47 am (UTC)(link)
Joolushko Tunai Fenta Hovalis

Re: Sign In

[identity profile] notyourpawn.livejournal.com 2010-01-15 01:54 am (UTC)(link)
Alice Liddell

Re: Lecture / Chat Amongst Yourselves

[identity profile] fratboybitch.livejournal.com 2010-01-13 05:32 pm (UTC)(link)
...right. Alex wasn't sure how the other him got through all this without falling asleep or daydreaming but he was having some difficulty. He managed to stay awake but a lot of those words went in one year and out the other. Luckily, he managed to jot them down and would look them up later.

Re: Lecture / Chat Amongst Yourselves

[identity profile] wantstocheer.livejournal.com 2010-01-13 07:37 pm (UTC)(link)
Claire took notes and tried not to think about what it was like waking up on an autopsy table.

Re: Lecture / Chat Amongst Yourselves

[identity profile] awesomebigsis.livejournal.com 2010-01-13 08:21 pm (UTC)(link)
Ellie listened intently while taking lots of notes, making sure she understood everything.

Re: Lecture / Chat Amongst Yourselves

[identity profile] ktarian-wildman.livejournal.com 2010-01-13 10:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Naomi listened closely to the lecture, taking down detailed notes as she did so.

Re: Class Discussion

[identity profile] fratboybitch.livejournal.com 2010-01-13 05:39 pm (UTC)(link)
"I dunno, I can't see them having much value medically," Alex said, shrugging. "Not with the tech and advances in sciences. I think they might do okay with the humanitarian side of medicine. Maybe give comfort to someone, if anything. That seems to be important to some people.

And he was going to be a surgeon.

"I think there's always going to be people that think that sort of stuff works," he continued. "I don't. I wouldn't feel comfortable if someone told me that easing my soul would cure a damn ulcer."

Re: Class Discussion

[identity profile] fratboybitch.livejournal.com 2010-01-13 05:55 pm (UTC)(link)
"Don't get stressed." Even he knew that was stupid advice. Alex shook his head. "I don't know, I just think if I were a patient, I'd more want the doctor to concentrate on making sure I don't bleed out rather than making sure I was seeing blue oceans and trees when I closed my eyes."

Re: Class Discussion

[identity profile] fratboybitch.livejournal.com 2010-01-13 06:19 pm (UTC)(link)
"Maybe a doctor can but I don't think every patient's going to feel comfortable with that split focus," he decided. "Maybe some will but, personally, I'd be a little pissed if my doctor tried that on me. I could be in the minority though."

Still, that didn't mean he couldn't see the point. He just couldn't really agree with it. "It probably was high tech but if you're trying to apply that sort of thing to today, I don't think there's going to be a big receptive audience. Most people are going to want instant results to feel better and it doesn't sound like a shaman can provide it all the time. If they've got a cold, they'll want prescription drugs, not fungus."

Re: Class Discussion

[identity profile] fratboybitch.livejournal.com 2010-01-13 06:36 pm (UTC)(link)
"I didn't say that." He just had no bedside manner himself. As evidenced here. Honesty tended to be his thing. "Honestly, I've never been a fan of so called bedside manner. I don't want things sugar coated and presented on a silver platter. If I'm going to die, I'd rather know than be told there's hope, you know? I think bedside manner might have some use but when it's used to disguise the truth, I have to draw a line."

He'd seen it in action, hated it, and couldn't do anything about it.

"As for the penicillin, how many people are going to really know that?" he asked, smiling a little. "Sure, you do but the average person isn't going to really put fungus and penicillin together."

Re: Class Discussion

[identity profile] fratboybitch.livejournal.com 2010-01-13 06:52 pm (UTC)(link)
"As long as there's some truth in there, I could deal with it," he shared, nodding. It sounded like he'd done it right. "If someone tells me that it's pretty much hopeless but offers comfort or whatever, then I can deal with it. I've seen it happen before, though, where false promises are made and everyone knows they're false but what can you do, you know?"

Alex crossed his arms slowly, more a gesture of thought than of defensiveness or irritation. "Sort of a don't tell me fluffy things to make me feel better without getting to the actual truth of the matter. If I'm gonna lose a leg, tell me and work the bedside manner around that."

Re: Class Discussion

[identity profile] fratboybitch.livejournal.com 2010-01-13 07:05 pm (UTC)(link)
"I can do that." He had a crapload of things to think about already. Wouldn't hurt to add something else.

Re: Class Discussion

[identity profile] wantstocheer.livejournal.com 2010-01-13 07:39 pm (UTC)(link)
"Hm, I'd say that after spending time in a place like this, it's entirely possible that shamanism or other magic could be useful," Claire said.

Re: Class Discussion

[identity profile] wantstocheer.livejournal.com 2010-01-13 07:45 pm (UTC)(link)
"You could say that," Claire said, with a sidelong glance at Alex. "I, uh, heal from any injury. And apparently can use my blood to heal others."

Re: Class Discussion

[identity profile] wantstocheer.livejournal.com 2010-01-13 07:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Claire nodded. "At least, I think it can. I haven't actually tried it."

Another glance at Alex. "Long story on how I found out it was possible. But, uh, Dr. Suresh ran some tests for me and said it seems plausible."

Re: Class Discussion

[identity profile] wantstocheer.livejournal.com 2010-01-13 07:53 pm (UTC)(link)
"Sure," Claire said. "When do you usually have office hours?"

Re: Class Discussion

[identity profile] wantstocheer.livejournal.com 2010-01-13 08:48 pm (UTC)(link)
"After lunch okay?" Claire asked.

Re: Class Discussion

[identity profile] awesomebigsis.livejournal.com 2010-01-13 08:24 pm (UTC)(link)
"I think it is certainly possible. I've lived here long enough to know that that magic could be used for healing," Ellie said after a moment of thought.

Re: Class Discussion

[identity profile] awesomebigsis.livejournal.com 2010-01-13 10:27 pm (UTC)(link)
"To be honest, I haven't seen anything like this in my world," Ellie admitted. "At least, if it does occur in my world, it is kept quiet."

Re: Class Discussion

[identity profile] awesomebigsis.livejournal.com 2010-01-13 11:41 pm (UTC)(link)
"Maybe I will do that someday," Ellie replied. "I'd like to see how spiritual medicine works. It is very interesting to me, especially after living here."

Re: Class Discussion

[identity profile] shyest-eyes.livejournal.com 2010-01-13 11:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Hinata was frowning thoughtfully.

"A-Ano," she said, a bit tentatively, "in my world we can use spiritual energy to heal others of physical wounds but I am n-not sure that's what you're asking about?"

Re: TAs

[identity profile] wantstocheer.livejournal.com 2010-01-13 07:40 pm (UTC)(link)
Claire loved to be loved. Or something.

Re: TAs

[identity profile] walks-two-paths.livejournal.com 2010-01-14 01:57 pm (UTC)(link)
Savannah was definitely here, being loved.