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Ghanima Atreides ([personal profile] atreideslioness) wrote in [community profile] fandomhigh2009-09-13 11:46 pm
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Hubris from Revelation: the Social Engineering of Ultimate Truths [Monday, Period 2]

"Today we are looking at one of the more dominant faiths on this planet," Ghanima said crisply. "Or rather, four faiths that share one founder. Our focus today is on the Abrahamic religions."

"Abrahamic religions, "Abrahamic faiths" or "religions of Abraham" has become a popular and oft-used designation for the monotheistic faiths of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, emphasizing their common origin and values. For some 1,300 years their histories and thought have been intertwined. The three are all considered inextricably linked to one another because of a ‘family likeness’ and a certain commonality in theology. They are faiths that recognize a spiritual tradition identified with Abraham. However, relationships among them have varied from time and place and have often been characterized by mistrust and even hatred," she continued. "Which, really, is not that shocking. Sometimes 'family' is the most vicious opponent of all; simply look at the tale of Cain and Abel."

"Even as Judaism, Christianity, and Islam all acknowledge Abraham as an ancestor, members of the three traditions have also tried to claim him as exclusively theirs. Definition of the term "Abrahamic" is far from being universal and has been found to be problematic to some. Certain smaller religions, while not included in the main three Abrahamic faiths, claim to have Abrahamic tradition. An example is the Baha'i Faith which was born in the Middle East, founded within Islam, and recognizes the same prophets plus Bahá'u'llá'h. Today, there are an estimated 3.8 billion followers of the three largest Abrahamic religions, accounting for more than half of the world's population."

Ghanima scooped up handouts on the common aspects and basic overview of the three largest sects, and handed them to Savannah if she was there to pass out.

"Now, some of you may already be familiar of the concept of the divine right to rule," Ghanima stated. "This is a concept that has been largely abandoned in the Western countries, particularly the democratic ones, but still holds strong sway elsewhere. It has been extremely popular with Abrahamic rulers for hundreds of years, because it is a political and religious doctrine of royal absolutism. It asserts that a monarch is subject to no earthly authority, deriving his right to rule directly from the will of God. The king is thus not subject to the will of his people, the aristocracy, or any other estate of the realm, including the church. The doctrine implies that any attempt to depose the king or to restrict his powers runs contrary to the will of God and may constitute heresy. Especially since revolution is never legitimate under the concept of the divine right of kings. While this is not a concept limited to the Abrahamic faiths -- at all -- it is notable that its counterpart in Eastern theology, the Mandate of Heaven, does allow for rebellion against an unjust ruler. This inflexibility in the divine right of kings may be attributed in-part to the fact that their God is often viewed as omniscient and omnipresent, and thus would not have put an unworthy ruler -- or someone who would become unworthy -- on the throne in the first place. Of course, usurpers can always claim they were the one with divine right, and the former king an impostor, but you'll always have loyalists holding out, and they'd have to woo the clergy to their side before any sort of legitimacy could be established."

[OCD up, beware the teal deer!]

Re: Sign-In #3

[identity profile] rocksthescarf.livejournal.com 2009-09-14 05:05 am (UTC)(link)
Chuck Bass

Re: Talk to the TAs

[identity profile] rocksthescarf.livejournal.com 2009-09-14 05:06 am (UTC)(link)
Ooh, look at that, Chuck could pass out papers like a pro.

Maybe he wouldn't run Bass Industries into the ground after all.
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[personal profile] iamnotallgirl 2009-09-14 05:21 am (UTC)(link)
Jill McTeague
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[personal profile] trigons_child 2009-09-14 05:23 am (UTC)(link)
Raven
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[personal profile] weetuskenraider 2009-09-14 05:46 am (UTC)(link)
Tahiri Veila

Re: Class Discussion

[identity profile] rocksthescarf.livejournal.com 2009-09-14 05:46 am (UTC)(link)
"Well I can see why the bigger religions wouldn't like them. The Bahá'í is promoting unity between all religions. If you look at it from a business point of view and you're, like, the CEO of Islam, you wouldn't want to merge your company with everyone else now would you?" Chuck said. "It'd mean less power for yourself. You can't have that happening so, naturally, you crush the people promoting unity."

Truly, his father would be proud.

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[identity profile] bigdamndestiny.livejournal.com 2009-09-14 05:53 am (UTC)(link)
Merlin
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Re: During the Lecture

[personal profile] weetuskenraider 2009-09-14 05:56 am (UTC)(link)
The Yuuzhan Vong's Supreme Overlord was considered the culture's direct link to the gods, the only one who had the strength and ability to address the supreme deity, Yun-Yuuzhan. True, becoming the new Supreme Overlord involved a long, complicated process of murdering the other candidates and the current Supreme Overlord, but Tahiri figured it fell more or less into this category. The will of the gods was hugely influential in that society.

. . . you could say she knew something about it, in that case, which explained her thoughtful expression and the way she was biting her lip, and staring focusedly at her desk.
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[personal profile] furnaceface 2009-09-14 06:02 am (UTC)(link)
Jonothon Starsmore
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[personal profile] endsthegame 2009-09-14 07:52 am (UTC)(link)
Andrew Wiggin

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[identity profile] see-beyond.livejournal.com 2009-09-14 11:37 am (UTC)(link)
Jonas
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Re: During the Lecture

[personal profile] endsthegame 2009-09-14 11:42 am (UTC)(link)
For some reason, Ender's thoughts were yoinked back towards that whole Sinterklaas debacle back in Battle School; Alai and his own ideas about religion, and Han Tzu. The mandate of heaven.

It was far away now, and nothing if not a theoretical construct. He toyed with it for a while, putting a few notes to paper that had little to do with capturing Ghanima's ideas word for word.

Re: During the Lecture

[identity profile] see-beyond.livejournal.com 2009-09-14 11:57 am (UTC)(link)
Jonas took hurried, scribbled notes, trying to catch every single unfamiliar word he could. They were many, of course, but as the weeks progressed, things were becoming a little clearer on this subject, at least.

He couldn't help trying to compare the Elders of the Community to what was being described here and found that they had a lot of similar traits though he didn't think they considered it anything divine. He didn't know what they considered it. It just was and everyone accepted it.
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Re: Class Discussion

[personal profile] furnaceface 2009-09-14 12:11 pm (UTC)(link)
//It's easier to target a smaller faith, before they can get the opportunity to grow into another major opposing power,// Jono noted, catching on to a train of thought that made sense somewhere in his head and then just going with it. //If there aren't as many followers as there are in the larger faith, then they don't have nearly as much of a chance for successful resistance. If they don't have the numbers, or the money, then they're... a safer target, I suppose. Other major religions might think, 'at least it isn't us.' People on the outside might just be thankful that they're not picking fights against other groups with power, who have the capacity to fight back in ways that make the playing field unsafe for everybody.//

Re: Class Discussion

[identity profile] see-beyond.livejournal.com 2009-09-14 12:29 pm (UTC)(link)
"People who think differently from the established...mindset," he said, unable to really use the word religion since he didn't feel comfortable with his own definition, "are dangerous to the overall stability of a community."

Not the Community, like he almost said. This wasn't about him even it kind of was. He shook his head.

"If one person thinks differently, they could be hunted and easily suppressed before causing any trouble," he continued. "But, if a large group thinks differently than what the majority wants you to think, they become dangerous because they gain the ability to convince other people to join them. Most majority groups don't want to give them that choice, or any choice at all, and do what it takes to eliminate it."

Even without the knowledge of what a lot of the information in the handouts meant, Jonas knew that, if this group was different, they would be ostracized and eliminated because of it. Jonas himself was that different person and he'd been ostracized from the Community and barely managed to escape that barren place. If he went back now, Release would be imminent.
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Re: Class Discussion

[personal profile] weetuskenraider 2009-09-14 12:58 pm (UTC)(link)
"Too much change to the balance of power," Tahiri ventured, late into the discussion. "If everyone is equal, and this god is inaccessible to everyone equally, then no one can claim divine authority, and the priest caste -- sorry, I mean priests or anyone like that can't say 'This is what we have to do because it's decreed by the gods that it's our destiny,' and expect almost everyone to just go along with it."

The last couple of messages from home had mentioned rumblings of some kind of heretical belief spreading among the Yuuzhan Vong's Shamed Ones, having to do with the Jedi. Nobody had mentioned to Tahiri that she and Anakin both factored into it. Which was a good thing -- as much as that would make an interesting class talking point, boy, did she not need that tidbit of knowledge right now.

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[identity profile] elephantgadget.livejournal.com 2009-09-14 01:14 pm (UTC)(link)
Helen Haras-Uquara
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[personal profile] bitten_notshy 2009-09-14 01:23 pm (UTC)(link)
Jack Priest
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Kate Gregson

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