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Logic, Reason and Critical Thinking, Class 2: Period 4, Thursday, September 10

When the students filed into class today, they might notice that each desk had a sheet of paper, face down.

"We're going to start today with a short exercise," Miss Bennet said. "There are personality assessments on each desk; I have placed them randomly around the room. Please turn over the sheet on your desk and read the assessment that you find. Once you have finished reading it, I would like for you to decide upon a number - from 1 to 5 - that evaluates how accurate that assessment is, for you, personally. Once you have done that, you may turn the paper face-down again."

She waited, patiently, as each student read the form:

You have a need for other people to like and admire you, and yet you tend to be critical of yourself. While you have some personality weaknesses you are generally able to compensate for them. You have considerable unused capacity that you have not turned to your advantage. Disciplined and self-controlled on the outside, you tend to be worrisome and insecure on the inside. At times you have serious doubts as to whether you have made the right decision or done the right thing. You prefer a certain amount of change and variety and become dissatisfied when hemmed in by restrictions and limitations. You also pride yourself as an independent thinker; and do not accept others' statements without satisfactory proof. But you have found it unwise to be too frank in revealing yourself to others. At times you are extroverted, affable, and sociable, while at other times you are introverted, wary, and reserved. Some of your aspirations tend to be rather unrealistic.


Once it seemed like everyone was finished, she continued.

"I will not ask anyone here to share their personal number. In fact, now I must confess some trickery of my own. There is only one assessment; each desk has a copy of the same paragraph. This paragraph was composed by a psychologist named Dr. Forer, who gave these so-called personality tests to a group of his students. The average accuracy rating, on that scale of one to five, was a 4.26. In other words, most of the students thought it was personal, and specific to him or her. How is that possible?

"There are several factors that contribute. For one, the paragraph sounds specific, but a meticulous re-reading will show how vague the details are. Forer took many of his sentences from a book of horoscopes. For another, we as individuals have a tendency, when confronted with evaluations of this nature, to give more weight to the successes than to the failures. For a third, do note that a great deal of the assessment is complimentary. One can get further appealing to vanity than being brutally frank.

"Many charlatans make use of the Forer effect in order to bolster their claims of clairvoyance, of reading tea-leaves or speaking to the dead. It is useful to be wary of those who would take one's money in order to tell their victims exactly what those individuals long to hear."
furnaceface: (More shock. SHOCK.)

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[personal profile] furnaceface 2009-09-10 02:13 pm (UTC)(link)
Jonothon Starsmore
furnaceface: (Told you so)

Re: During the Lecture [LOG-2]

[personal profile] furnaceface 2009-09-10 02:28 pm (UTC)(link)
Jono was taking pretty serious notes, here. Partly because he actually found this class to be pretty enthralling, and partly because he just felt like keeping his head down, today.

For fear of attack-pudding, believe it or not.
furnaceface: (Reading)

Re: Discussion #1: The Forer Effect [LOG-2]

[personal profile] furnaceface 2009-09-10 02:51 pm (UTC)(link)
//It felt accurate enough on the first read,// Jono admitted. //Second time around, there are things here and there that don't fit if I poke about for them, but it still fits as a whole.//

He shrugged a little.

//If yer ask me, I think it fits people so well because it's so bloody broad. Who doesn't want to be admired? Who isn't critical of themselves? Restrictions are restricting, people don't like them by their very definition. The whole thing might as well be a study on people as a whole, instead of just one singular 'you.'//

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[identity profile] notqueenyet.livejournal.com 2009-09-10 03:20 pm (UTC)(link)
Aravis

Re: Discussion #1: The Forer Effect [LOG-2]

[identity profile] notqueenyet.livejournal.com 2009-09-10 03:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Aravis bit her lip in thought, and ventured, "It's a bit like those horoscope things, isn't it? Or the small cookies with the messages in them -- it certainly seems specific enough, or something that we might all wish to be true of ourselves, but it's general enough that we might delude ourselves into imagining it is personalized."
furnaceface: (Casual conversation)

Re: Discussion #2: Self-Delusion Again [LOG-2]

[personal profile] furnaceface 2009-09-10 03:31 pm (UTC)(link)
//When yer read somethin' like that, yer already looking for something that yer can apply to yerself,// Jono reasoned, gesturing to the paper with one hand. //It isn't that anyone is really trying to fool themselves, but the idear is there, that there's something that can be applied to yer, so you follow along with it without thinking.//

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[identity profile] stocksgrrl.livejournal.com 2009-09-10 03:40 pm (UTC)(link)
T.R. Wexler
not_tylerdurden: (Calvin w/ Hobbes: can't go anywhere)

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[personal profile] not_tylerdurden 2009-09-10 03:44 pm (UTC)(link)
Calvin (and Hobbes)
not_tylerdurden: (Hobbes: thoughtful)

Re: During the Lecture [LOG-2]

[personal profile] not_tylerdurden 2009-09-10 03:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Since he'd been invited, nothing could have stopped Hobbes from coming along to class with Calvin, and Calvin had known better than to try. So there he was, sitting next to Calvin with paper and pen, tail twitching excitedly as he took notes.

For his part Calvin was taking somewhat less diligent notes than last week.

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[identity profile] sorella-vecchia.livejournal.com 2009-09-10 03:53 pm (UTC)(link)
Triela

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[identity profile] wantstocheer.livejournal.com 2009-09-10 03:58 pm (UTC)(link)
Claire Bennet

Re: Discussion #2: Self-Delusion Again [LOG-2]

[identity profile] sorella-vecchia.livejournal.com 2009-09-10 04:00 pm (UTC)(link)
"I suspect that this exercise relies on the same things that motivate willful self-delusion. People want to believe they are better than they are. By explaining that the evaluation is a 'personal' one it makes them think that someone else also thinks they are better than they are. I think that part is an important aspect of the trick. If people were told that it was a random assessment, or that they all had the same one, they would be more critical."

This was all referring to other people, of course. It wasn't as if Triela herself fell for that sort of thing. She was far too realistic about how good she was, and that meant she didn't need to inflate her self-opinion.

Re: During the Lecture [LOG-2]

[identity profile] wantstocheer.livejournal.com 2009-09-10 04:00 pm (UTC)(link)
Claire jotted down a few notes, but mostly just listened to the lecture.
furnaceface: (Kinda down)

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[personal profile] furnaceface 2009-09-10 04:01 pm (UTC)(link)
Jono shook his head a little.

//I wasn't lookin' for it,// he admitted. //Though there were some points that didn't sit quite right with me at the get go. I can't very well be introverted and extroverted, can I?//

Re: Discussion #1: The Forer Effect [LOG-2]

[identity profile] wantstocheer.livejournal.com 2009-09-10 04:02 pm (UTC)(link)
"The part about having doubts over my decisions was what struck me the most as fitting me," Claire said. "But on a second reading, it makes sense that it would fit most people."

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