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chosehumanity ([personal profile] chosehumanity) wrote in [community profile] fandomhigh2009-09-08 12:09 pm
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World Wars in the Media, Tuesday

"War," Mitchell started, once everyone had pooled into the class. "This week, we're not going to get to any of the good bits just yet, so buckle up. Rather, we're going to talk about the First World War, or as it was known in the early 20th century, the Great War, which began the cycle of conflicts that ravaged the century. It started rather inauspiciously with alliances, an attempt to keep nations from war. Except tied into these alliances was a growing sense of pride in countries that were finally solid, and united. A powderkeg, as historians like to call it. I prefer 'massive executive bollocksing', myself." He pulled a face, like it had been a personal slight to himself, but brushed that off quickly. "A massive cobweb of alliances was formed during the late 19th century. Germany, Austria-Hungary and Russia on one end, although Russia dropped out, and Italy took its place. Italy, for their part, secretly got involved with France in case Austria-Hungary decided to throw a fit about some territorial issues."

He took a breath. "Are you following this so far? Good. It gets a little complicated." He gestured in two directions to get that point across. "France also allied themselves with Russia, and Britain, only just emerging out of isolation, decided it wanted more assurance against the giant that had become Germany - so they sought alliances with France, and with Japan. These were the major lines in the web, but there were any number of smaller ones as well: Serbia, for example, found themselves under Russia's protection..."

He mimed a gun with one hand. "All that tension, all those alliances, everyone fearing each other's growth while praising their own, nations looking for revenge or a reason to reassert the dominance of a fading empire-- it was a miracle they had as few war as it was-- all that was needed in the end was one bullet, shattering that peace - and two poor heads." He pressed a button on the laptop in front of him, playing a short video. "Archduke Franz Ferdinand was visiting Serbia with his wife for a formal visit of state. Probably glad to get away from the tensions of home, the poor bastard, he hadn't made the other rulers back home very happy with any of his plans. He's sitting there, in his car, minding his own business, when suddenly his wife collapses on him. Turns out he's bleeding from the mouth, a messy, slow death - his friend von Harrach said he kept talking as he died. A political assassination on Serbian ground, by a Serbian nationalist, pissed off that the Austrians had been barging all over Serbia as of recently."

He was gesturing as he talked. "You can see where this is going," he said, "Austria-Hungary decided to attack Serbia to reassert their dominance, using Ferdinand's death as a pretext. Russia jumped in to defend Serbia, Germany decided to take that as an assault on Austria-Hungary, France decided to take that as an assault on Russia, Britain went in to help France and save Belgium, which had just been invaded by the Germans, which meant the British colonies got involved..." He mimed a collapsing cardhouse. "It's actually kind of beautiful in its simplicity and its complication - like tipping dominoes of history." ...But anyway. "The United States declared neutrality until the Germans pushed their luck, and the Italians kept their bottoms to themselves by claiming they had only ever signed up for a defensive war - and then promptly dropped the ball by joining the opposite side instead."

His mouth curled up. "And while the British were involved in the war, the Irish toiled away on their independence," he said, "Although that didn't keep some of us from enlisting anyway. We had our own regiments in the New British Army... Like most parts of the First World War, that wound up being a letdown and altogether dirtier and less glorious than anyone had anticipated..." He looked thoughtful. "But we'll be talking about that last week. Anyway, I've been talking more than enough," he segued. "Here, you'll find a handout of who declared war on whom. There's been lots of speculation of how far back the roots of this war went, and I couldn't tell you for certain if I tried. Instead, I'd like you to look at how the war was reported in the British newspapers at the time. What kind of slant do you see? What kind of information do they pick up on? What seemed to be the British approach to the First World War when they went to pick up arms?" He tapped the couch under his feet. "Pair up!"

[[ and OCD is a go! ]]
intraspective: (cute smile in b&w)

Re: Pair Up and Discuss

[personal profile] intraspective 2009-09-08 11:39 pm (UTC)(link)
"It's a matter of trust," she decided. "'Cause, see, if you see your leaders, 'cause they're supposed to be the ones who know what they're doing, making up their minds and having a plan, then you can put faith in them. In a way, I guess, people arguing and debating and such it just shows that--there's a lack of trust, in a way."

Re: Pair Up and Discuss

[identity profile] blondecanary.livejournal.com 2009-09-08 11:46 pm (UTC)(link)
"Well, yeah." Dinah had to agree about that. "Which, in our case, and with as many times as the government and military has screwed up, is justified. We need the press to keep and eye on them and point out their screw-ups, or they won't fix them. In World War I, I think the press made the right call and supported the government in England, but there's been other wars where they weren't really thinking it through." She looked thoughtful, then said, "Not as criticism, but can I ask-- does anyone keep an eye on your military leaders? Or do they check up on each other, to see that they're doing their jobs right?"
intraspective: (slip past defense)

Re: Pair Up and Discuss

[personal profile] intraspective 2009-09-08 11:53 pm (UTC)(link)
That one was going to require some thinking.

"Mmm," she said, tilting her head. "Each Hokage has to be chosen by the council, and then the Jounin get to confirm the choice--if they don't like them they don't stick 'round 'cause the Jounin are the real decision makers." Ino laughed briefly. "'Cause you don't want to piss off your powerhouses, yeah? So if the Jounin believe in the Hokage, they tend to go on pretty much on their own when it comes to battle decisions. The council can advise, either for or not, but the final say is up to them."

A pause.

"Well," she conceded, "at least 'till the Jounin get sick of them messing up and have them assassinated." Politics were cheery, really.

Re: Pair Up and Discuss

[identity profile] blondecanary.livejournal.com 2009-09-08 11:58 pm (UTC)(link)
"Soooo." Dinah had to stop there again, and admit, "I don't know half those words. Right, so is the council also civilian? Or is it just the main military council? And what's a hokage, and a jounin?" She also blinked. "They can't just fire them and make them resign? Yeesh."
intraspective: (smile politely)

Re: Pair Up and Discuss

[personal profile] intraspective 2009-09-09 12:20 am (UTC)(link)
"Hokage is the title of our leader," she said, grinning slightly apologetically at that. Ino was bad, sometimes, at translating things over. "It means 'Fire Shadow' 'cause we're the Fire Country's ninja, so we work from the shadows, in theory. Hokage-sama is always considered the most powerful ninja in the village, both in political strength and physical strength. You've got to have both to be nominated. Jounin is... a rank."

Ino pulled out a piece of paper and scribbled a quick chart out. "Jounin is the highest rank that a regular shinobi can be," she explained, "I'm technically a Genin, but with skill enough for a Chuunin--I just haven't taken the exam to be promoted. But Jounin are those that, well, make badass look easy." Oh dear.

"And firing them--doesn't work. There's too many secrets that they'd be privy to. The Third, Sandaime-sama, was a Hokage, but he retired in favour of the Fourth, 'cause he was getting old and tired. But he was well loved when he left the office and his loyalty was never in doubt. Otherwise... it's a job for life, pretty much."

Re: Pair Up and Discuss

[identity profile] blondecanary.livejournal.com 2009-09-09 12:34 am (UTC)(link)
Which, from what Dinah could figure out of her original question, meant that the guy who was similar to Commander-in-Chief was there for life, but all his Colonels were watching him to make sure he didn't mess up. "Okay. I think I get that. Our generals, our admirals, they all retire after a certain age. They may know secrets, but they're charged never to reveal them, so... yeah. No reason to assassinate them." She cocked her head. "And there's a term limit on the presidency, so he's only in charge eight years at most. He's actually Commander-in-Chief of all the armed forces." Was what they were talking about like being a CIA chief? No, they got to retire too.

"It's the same for all our other military and civil government stuff. They retire or quit or whatever. There's always conspiracy theories when someone dies unexpectedly, but mostly they die natural deaths. Sooo, we have reporters, making sure the population knows how well they're doing their jobs. Since they can't elect military, they earn their rank, but the very top spots are appointed by civilians. And the civilians need watching, and are elected by everyone else." She let out a breath. "Make sense?" Dinah made a face. "Which... you probably didn't even need to know, but yeah."
intraspective: (here we are)

Re: Pair Up and Discuss

[personal profile] intraspective 2009-09-09 12:37 am (UTC)(link)
...Ino had gotten distracted by making her chart, okay?

"...not really," she said, after listening to that. "Wouldn't the populace know that their jobs are being done right from the cause and effect sort of thing."

It would help, really, if Ino ever managed to wrap her mind around just how large a space they were talking about. Her world was way smaller.

Re: Pair Up and Discuss

[identity profile] blondecanary.livejournal.com 2009-09-09 12:41 am (UTC)(link)
"... I don't think so?" Dinah blinked. "There's just too many officers in charge. And screw ups are easy to hide on a battlefield." She paused, thinking about it. "Ino, how many people," she pointed to the chart, "are in your military-ninja?"
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Re: Pair Up and Discuss

[personal profile] intraspective 2009-09-09 12:52 am (UTC)(link)
She frowned at the list, thinking about that.

"35,000, or so?" Ino guessed, at last. "Including Academy students, and those who work within the village in administrative positions. We've probably got just under 60,000 people in total, for the whole village, civilians included--we're a pretty big place."

For her world, yes.

Re: Pair Up and Discuss

[identity profile] blondecanary.livejournal.com 2009-09-09 01:09 am (UTC)(link)
"Ohhhh." Dinah frowned, then hesitantly said, "We have about a million and a half people in our military, I think. And I know it's over three hundred million in the country."

So, yeah. Proportional differences.
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Re: Pair Up and Discuss

[personal profile] intraspective 2009-09-09 01:18 am (UTC)(link)
"My brain hurts at those numbers," Ino said, wrinkling her nose. "I can't even--I wouldn't even lay money on our whole world equalling this one's military."

"Guess you got to do things a bit differently on that scale, though."

Re: Pair Up and Discuss

[identity profile] blondecanary.livejournal.com 2009-09-09 01:20 am (UTC)(link)
"Pretty much. Since the odds of your average citizen meeting the Chief of the Armed Forces is like, a million to one," Dinah had to agree. "So, that's where the reporters come in to. A million people might read a paper who'd never meet the guy commanding the army."
intraspective: (yeah whatever)

Re: Pair Up and Discuss

[personal profile] intraspective 2009-09-09 01:25 am (UTC)(link)
"I guess that makes sense," she said dubiously. "I mean, I don't think I'd care for it--but I'm not sure what else this world could do with your numbers..."

Re: Pair Up and Discuss

[identity profile] blondecanary.livejournal.com 2009-09-09 01:28 am (UTC)(link)
"Understandable," Dinah had to admit. "At least 'til we get some kind of, I don't know. Automatic voting technology? Better ways to see what the military are doing than television cameras?" She shrugged in resignation. "But I get how yours operates better now too. Since hey, you can actually meet those guys who are in charge, or who could be. You can actually form an opinion on whether they're good at their jobs or crooks or not."
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Re: Pair Up and Discuss

[personal profile] intraspective 2009-09-09 01:37 am (UTC)(link)
She grinned and twirled her pen around. "Hokage-sama speaks at the Academy at least once a year," Ino commented, "and then we see her during exams and important missions, if there's a debriefing that needs special attention. Our old one used to walk around the village every afternoon, just to know his people."

Ino shrugged a bit.

"I guess it's just weird that a paper would be that important."

Re: Pair Up and Discuss

[identity profile] blondecanary.livejournal.com 2009-09-09 01:51 am (UTC)(link)
Dinah nodded. "But yeah. Gives you an idea, of how this stuff influences how a war goes. Or could."