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Literature, Class 7: Period 3, Thursday, February 19

"There is a famous quotation," Miss Elizabeth Bennet said, "which says, slightly paraphrased, 'I am sorry that this letter is so long. I did not have time to write a short one.' This only sounds laughable until one tries to write a letter and discovers that one only has a single sheet of paper. Being concise, being clear in the least number of words possible, that will in many cases require more thought, more effort, than simply filling a page with one's news.

"The same is true, to some extent, with works of fiction. I do not mean to imply that a short story would take an author longer to write than a thousand-page epic. However, a short story is a different work than a novel to start. An event happens, an anecdote is shared. In a novel, the overarching plot is frequently one of personal development: the characters' lives, in short, and the growth that they achieve, or that which they fail to achieve. A novel has a narrative, connecting a series of events; a short story may have one event, and the sequence that creates that event, or its aftermath.

"Most poems, by contrast, are only meant to convey an impression, a feel, a moment in time. However, there is also epic poetry, which seeks to tell a long narrative in poetic form. Historically, epics have their own rules: there is one hero, fighting either with the assistance of -- or despite the interventions of -- various deities. There are long lists: geneaologies, in some cases, as well as the names of the dead, and of those who fought bravely on each side. Epics must start with an invocation to the muse.

"Plays we discussed briefly, of course, during our study of William Shakespeare. As we noted there, the loss of narrative means that we must show our audience what we wish for them to understand. Plays allow for actors to bring their own personalities to each role, for directors to stamp their own imprints onto the works -- which some may say takes us further from the play's original intent. This is true, unless one believes that perhaps plays are intended to be open in this manner: adaptable to each new performance and what it may bring out of the work.

"All of this is complicated enough. And now we add another element: serialisation." She smiled at her students. "At one time, many novels were printed in news-papers in segments. In such situations, each passage's beginning must be accessible to new readers, but of equal importantance is that each passage's ending must leave the audience desiring more. Charles Dickens' work was serialized; as a result, many of his chapters end with dramatic cliffhangers. The audience should be stirred to return to your next episode, eager to know of their beloved characters' fates.

"These are, of course, generalities. As such, they will hardly be applicable in every case. Nevertheless, it is important for us to think about how form affects content. If one was to write a story of a war, the tone, the characterization, the overall impact, all of these would be very different if one wrote an epic poem than a novel. In serialised form, one would plot carefully which major battles fell on which chapter breaks. In a play, one might compress two minor characters into one, so as not to confuse the audience with interchangeable side roles.

"At times, outside factors can affect the story in very specific ways. It has been rumoured, falsely, that Dickens was paid by the word; though he was not, many of his contemporaries were. One can imagine how fondly they reached for adjectives, for a little more description to round out that third paragraph, whether or not the it was perfectly crisp as it then stood. On the other hand, a modern author named Stephen King once finished a 1200-page saga, only to have his publisher insist that -- because of commercial and practical concerns -- the book needed to be far shorter or it would not sell. The issue was not the content, or the book's pacing, but that the simple cost of printing the book would negatively affect its price, which in turn would depress sales. The book was reduced, and published; years later, when the author was famous, he re-released the book in its original state.

"The form of a story changes that story. How we tell a tale alters it; what we keep, what we omit, what words we use. We experience this every day, when recounting to one's sister the dreadful argument one had with one's mother. It is no less true in literature than it is in life."

She smiled. "One final note. We shall be discussing the contrast between an author's intentions and the results, for our next class, which will be after we all experience a much-needed break. Therefore, your assignment is as follows. Please find a copy of Jane Austen's Randolph Park or Amelia. Read either, or both, for our next class, if you are able to do so; there are sufficient copies in the library. There will be no penalty if you do not, but I would encourage you to, at the very least, start one, that we might have a more informative conversation on the matter."

Re: Sign In [LIT-7]

[identity profile] shyest-eyes.livejournal.com 2009-02-19 04:29 am (UTC)(link)
Hyuuga Hinata, who is very cheerfully oblivious
peace_n_war: (A OKAY)

Re: Sign In [LIT-7]

[personal profile] peace_n_war 2009-02-19 04:35 am (UTC)(link)
Warren Peace, who is more or less oblivious kinda mostly

Re: Sign In [LIT-7]

[identity profile] flashesforinfo.livejournal.com 2009-02-19 10:14 am (UTC)(link)
Angela Montenegro, still not noticed... yet.

Re: Sign In [LIT-7]

[identity profile] thismaskiwear.livejournal.com 2009-02-19 01:38 pm (UTC)(link)
Katina Choovanski, who hadn't noticed much until yesterday, and now, oh, yes, NOW is starting to get more than just her usual brand of cranky.

Re: Sign In [LIT-7]

[identity profile] chic-harper.livejournal.com 2009-02-19 04:38 pm (UTC)(link)
Harper Finkle, who was in the middle of a very good dream when that damned fire alarm went off

Re: Sign In [LIT-7]

[identity profile] finding-x-dream.livejournal.com 2009-02-19 05:19 pm (UTC)(link)
Agnes Nitt, who is cheerful but not oblivious, and is jealous of all the people who have the opportunity to be frustrated this week.
likethegun: (i'm bitchfacing like a pro)

Re: Sign In [LIT-7]

[personal profile] likethegun 2009-02-20 12:21 am (UTC)(link)
Sam Winchester
iamnotallgirl: (Jill looks sideways)

Re: Sign In [LIT-7]

[personal profile] iamnotallgirl 2009-02-20 09:33 am (UTC)(link)
Jill McTeague, who is oblivious.
not_in_the_book: (Emo: NOES)

Re: Sign In [LIT-7]

[personal profile] not_in_the_book 2009-02-21 01:06 am (UTC)(link)
Ronan Nolan, who is a) v.v.frustrated, and b) not late at all, honest.

[I have had this tab open since yesterday morning, and STILL forgot to actually sign in. ^^;;; ]
peace_n_war: (Trying To Read)

Re: During the Lecture [LIT-7]

[personal profile] peace_n_war 2009-02-19 04:36 am (UTC)(link)
Warren was doing his damnedest to stay awake today. The class itself was fascinating, but fire drills in the dead of night were just cruel, dammit.

Re: During the Lecture [LIT-7]

[identity profile] flashesforinfo.livejournal.com 2009-02-19 10:15 am (UTC)(link)
Oh, Angela was tired, and trying to take notes rather than doze. Really trying.

Re: During the Lecture [LIT-7]

[identity profile] thismaskiwear.livejournal.com 2009-02-19 01:41 pm (UTC)(link)
All the coffee in the world wasn't going to help Katchoo today, she was starting to expect. She kept nodding off and just barely catching herself before the snoring started, so . . . no note-taking going on here, really.

Re: During the Lecture [LIT-7]

[identity profile] chic-harper.livejournal.com 2009-02-19 04:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Harper took notes, more to keep herself awake than anything else.

Re: Discussion #1: Form and Content [LIT-7]

[identity profile] finding-x-dream.livejournal.com 2009-02-19 05:24 pm (UTC)(link)
"I like novels best, I think," Agnes decided. "I really haven't read much else, but I'm not sure that I'd want to. You'd think that poetry, or serialization, or trying to read a play instead of watching it, or any of the other things would all make it harder to enjoy the story."

Re: Discussion #2: Writing [LIT-7]

[identity profile] shyest-eyes.livejournal.com 2009-02-19 04:32 am (UTC)(link)
"I write c-concisely, using the least number of words to express myself as possible," she offered, considering the rest of the questions. "E-Editing for content, as such, is necessary so that you eliminate tangents, and a-avoid confusing the issue."

Re: Discussion #2: Writing [LIT-7]

[identity profile] shyest-eyes.livejournal.com 2009-02-20 12:14 am (UTC)(link)
That got a nod. "As long a-as they add something I would say it is alright," she allowed, "but when there is pages on pages o-of writing that doesn't advance the story it becomes excessive."

Re: Discussion #2: Writing [LIT-7]

[identity profile] shyest-eyes.livejournal.com 2009-02-20 04:38 am (UTC)(link)
"It's perhaps, b-because of this, that many writers use and outline," she said, nodding. "So they have at least an i-idea of where a little more colour would work, and where it wouldn't."

Re: Discussion #2: Writing [LIT-7]

[identity profile] finding-x-dream.livejournal.com 2009-02-19 05:27 pm (UTC)(link)
"When I write a letter, it more or less comes out just the same as the way I'd say it if I were talking to someone," Agnes answered.

She deliberately avoided mentioning just how heavily she edited herself.
likethegun: (i'm making an innocent face)

Re: Discussion #2: Writing [LIT-7]

[personal profile] likethegun 2009-02-20 12:24 am (UTC)(link)
"I definitely edit myself," Sam said. "I think it would be a lot easier for me to write something short and to the point than something long and possibly too descriptive."

Re: Discussion #3: External Factors Influencing a Work [LIT-7]

[identity profile] finding-x-dream.livejournal.com 2009-02-19 05:31 pm (UTC)(link)
"Well... Yes, yes, and yes, I imagine. But a work is the way it is, and we're stuck having to enjoy it or not in the form that we find it."

Re: Discussion #3: External Factors Influencing a Work [LIT-7]

[identity profile] shiniernyours.livejournal.com 2009-02-19 11:55 pm (UTC)(link)
"Having a lot of cliffhangers can work in a novel," said Bender. "The author guy's still got to get you reading through to the end if it's in a book or if it's in episodes."

Bender thought a moment. "Nah, with episodic it's more important to keep your hooks in, keep them reading and buying your trash; once the book's sold who cares if they use it for firewood?"

Re: Speak with the TA [LIT-7]

[identity profile] shyest-eyes.livejournal.com 2009-02-19 04:30 am (UTC)(link)
She would much rather not have anyone ask her about that last one, considering that Hinata would probably die of embarrassment.

All the other questions, however, were completely welcomed.

Re: OOC [LIT-7]

[identity profile] thismaskiwear.livejournal.com 2009-02-19 01:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, man, I wish Katchoo was as deeply interested as I am in today's class subject, because I could geek for hours on this . . .
the_merriest: (saaaaaaaayyyy ...)

Re: OOC [LIT-7]

[personal profile] the_merriest 2009-02-19 08:45 pm (UTC)(link)
This entire class is really just me lit-geeking out like a fiend. English majors represent!