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Ghanima Atreides ([personal profile] atreideslioness) wrote in [community profile] fandomhigh2011-05-16 09:59 am

Destiny & Free Will, Week II [Monday, Period 2]

The class met outside by the pond, as handwavily ordered.  The flamingos were wandering around Ghanima's improvised classroom, which had plenty of overstuffed pillows for laying about.  Along the edges were small low tables, each with two cushions to sit on and various items placed upon them. 

Once the bell rang, Ghanima looked up from where she was sprawled on the floor playing with some cards and smiled.  "Destiny," she began with preamble, dropping the cards and pushing to her feet.  "Refers to a predetermined course of events. It may be conceived as a predetermined future, whether in general or of an individual. It is a concept based on the belief that there is a fixed natural order to the universe." 

"Destiny may be seen either as a fixed sequence of events that is inevitable and unchangeable, or that individuals choose their own destiny by choosing different paths throughout their life."  Ghanima paused to smile at them briefly.  "Confusing, isn't it?"

"Many Greek legends and tales teach the futility of trying to outmaneuver an inexorable fate that has been correctly predicted. This form of irony is important in Greek tragedy, as it is in Oedipus Rex  or Thornton Wilder's The Bridge of San Luis Rey, where in spite of all the character's attempts otherwise, it does not preclude a horrible fate," she said,  wandering the room to pass out a handout on Oedipus.

"Some believe that one's destiny may be ascertained by divination. In the belief systems of many cultures, one's destiny can only be learned about through a shaman, babalawo, prophet, sibyl, saint or seer. In the Shang dynasty in China, turtle bones were thrown ages before the I Ching was codified. Arrows were tossed to read destiny, from Thrace to pagan Mecca. In Yoruba traditional religion, the Ifá oracle is consulted via a string of sixteen cowries or oil-palm nuts whose pattern when thrown on to a wooden tray represents the 256 possible combinations whose named "chapters" are recited and verses interpreted for the client by the babalawo."  Ghanima grinned and waved her hand in the international 'blah blah blah' manner.  "Every society has their own way of foretelling a future, from worm entrails to crystal balls.  My empire put its fate in the hands of a family that can walk the veils of time, forward and back, to see what lies beyond, and now they're stuck with the future that the Mahdi chose.  Oracles can be a tricky bunch, and you must always assume that they may have a hidden agenda of their own."  

"Today, it's time for you to face your destiny."  Ghanima gestured to the tables ringing the room.  "Pair up, wander around, and pick a method of divination that speaks to you.  Read your own destiny, or that of your partner, and then discuss if you agree or disagree with the results you obtained."

[OOC: OCD UP!]

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[identity profile] godgavemecable.livejournal.com 2011-05-16 03:21 pm (UTC)(link)
Toby Logan

Re: Activity: Pair Off!

[identity profile] godgavemecable.livejournal.com 2011-05-16 03:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Toby eyed the various different kinds of fortune-telling equipment, looking around for a partner who wouldn't mind that the player wouldn't be around till after 6-ish Pacific time.

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[identity profile] wesleynotponcy.livejournal.com 2011-05-16 03:28 pm (UTC)(link)
Wesley Wyndam-Pryce

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[identity profile] forhisfriends.livejournal.com 2011-05-16 03:31 pm (UTC)(link)
Simon Bellamy

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[identity profile] ancientbschamp.livejournal.com 2011-05-16 03:52 pm (UTC)(link)
Gabrielle

Re: During the Lecture

[identity profile] ancientbschamp.livejournal.com 2011-05-16 04:03 pm (UTC)(link)
Gabrielle absently petted a flamingo as it wandered by during the lecture, but she couldn't help frowning; was that what Greek tragedy had turned into? She and the boys at the Academy had, if their late-night dormitory conversations were any indication, all wanted to be more uplifting than that. What had gotten into them?

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[identity profile] thinkbetterofme.livejournal.com 2011-05-16 04:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Faramir

Re: During the Lecture

[identity profile] forhisfriends.livejournal.com 2011-05-16 05:53 pm (UTC)(link)
Simon took neat notes and pondered how all this related to knowing one's future because technically it had already happened. Did that even count as destiny?

Occasionally, he was distracted by a flamingo. Or the fact that his clothes weren't realy made for this weather. He was hoping he wasn't going to pass out from the warmth.

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[identity profile] withasword.livejournal.com 2011-05-16 05:55 pm (UTC)(link)
Kate Daniels

Re: Activity: Pair Off!

[identity profile] withasword.livejournal.com 2011-05-16 07:15 pm (UTC)(link)
About ninety percent of people who claimed to tell fortunes in Kate's world were complete hacks.

Which was a slight improvement on some worlds where the percentage was probably even higher, but it still didn't leave Kate with much hope for her chances of getting anything remotely real out of the runes she was looking at while waiting for someone's fortune she could tell to show up.

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[identity profile] showmetheproof.livejournal.com 2011-05-16 08:53 pm (UTC)(link)
Dana Scully

Re: Class Discussion

[identity profile] showmetheproof.livejournal.com 2011-05-16 09:03 pm (UTC)(link)
"Character is destiny; or not asking the right questions," Scully said, looking at the summary. "If the king hadn't abandoned Oedipus, instead of raising or killing him, he wouldn't have grown up not knowing him, and killing him by mistake. But similarly, if Oedipus weren't the kind of person to both kill a stranger, and save a city, he wouldn't have been in a position to marry his own mother." She frowned. "And if either of them had asked how this destiny of Oedipus killing his father was going to be achieved, it might have been avoided. Instead, they created it, thinking to avoid a certain end-game." She looked up. "Which begs the question, how badly did that seer hate the king, that he told him this much truth?"

Re: Activity: Pair Off!

[identity profile] showmetheproof.livejournal.com 2011-05-16 09:04 pm (UTC)(link)
Scully sat down across from him, then looked him in the eye and told him, "I'm used to people with psychic abilities, but I don't think any future is set in stone." And SP is fine.
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[personal profile] dontvotemeout 2011-05-16 10:31 pm (UTC)(link)
Jason Todd
dontvotemeout: (happy: small smile)

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[personal profile] dontvotemeout 2011-05-16 10:33 pm (UTC)(link)
Jason didn't really believe in this stuff, but the tarot cards were kind of cool to look at, so he was shuffling through them as he waited for a partner, looking at all the designs and trying to figure out what they meant without having to look at the explanations.

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[identity profile] answer2bheard.livejournal.com 2011-05-16 10:42 pm (UTC)(link)
Jim Hawkins

Re: OOC

[identity profile] showmetheproof.livejournal.com 2011-05-16 10:50 pm (UTC)(link)
*Raises fist at that message, dude!*

Especially if it's an alien invasion...

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Nico di Angelo
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Rinoa Heartilly

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