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Phoebe Halliwell ([personal profile] sensethevisions) wrote in [community profile] fandomhigh2007-07-26 04:50 am

History Of Witchcraft II [Week Three : Thursday, Period 4, Danger Shop]

Phoebe again had a table set up with refreshments in class for everyone. She appeared to be in a little bit better mood, as well.

"OKay, so last week, we started talking about Wicca...





"While the ritual format of Wicca is undeniably styled after late Victorian era occultism (even co-founder Doreen Valiente admits seeing influence from Aleister Crowley), the spiritual content is inspired by older Pagan faiths, with Buddhist and Hindu influences.

Due to historical suspicions, it seems very likely that Gardner's rites and precepts were taken from other occultists and was not in fact anything new to the world. There is very little in the Wiccan rites that cannot be shown to have come from earlier extant sources. The original material is not cohesive and mostly takes the form of substitutions or expansions within unoriginal material. Roger Dearnaley, in An Annotated Chronology and Bibliography of the Early Gardnerian Craft, describes it as a patchwork.

Heselton, writing in Wiccan Roots and later in Gerald Gardner and the Cauldron of Inspiration, argues that Gardner was not the author of the Wiccan rituals but received them in good faith from an unknown source. (Doreen Valiente makes this claim regarding the "basic skeleton of the rituals," as Margot Adler puts it in Drawing Down the Moon.) He notes that all the Crowley material that is found in the Wiccan rituals can be found in a single book, The Equinox vol 3 no. 1 or Blue Equinox. Gardner is not known to have owned or had access to a copy of this book, although it is certain that he met Crowley towards the end of the latter’s life. Gardner admitted "the rituals he received from Old Dorothy's coven were very fragmentary, and in order to make them workable, he had to supplement them with other material."

Some, such as Isaac Bonewits, have argued that Valiente and Heselton's evidence points to an early 20th century revival predating Gardner, rather than an intact old Pagan religion. The argument points to historical claims of Gardner's that agree with scholarship of a certain time period and contradict later scholarship. Bonewits writes, "Somewhere between 1920 and 1925 in England some folklorists appear to have gotten together with some Golden Dawn Rosicrucians and a few supposed Fam-Trads to produce the first modern covens in England; grabbing eclectically from any source they could find in order to try and reconstruct the shards of their Pagan past." Crowley published the aforementioned Blue Equinox in 1919.

The idea of primitive matriarchal religions, deriving ultimately from studies by Johann Jakob Bachofen, was popular in Gardner's day, both among academics (e.g., Erich Neumann, Margaret Murray) and amateurs such as Robert Graves. Later academics (e.g. Carl Jung and Marija Gimbutas) continued research in this area, and later still Joseph Campbell, Ashley Montagu and others became fans of Gimbutas' theories of matriarchies in Old Europe. Matriarchal interpretations of the archaeological record and the criticism of such work continue to be matters of academic debate. Some academics carry on research in this area (such as the 2003 World Congress on Matriarchal Studies). Critics argue that such matriarchal societies never actually existed and are an invention of researchers such as Margaret Murray. This is disputed by documentaries such as "Blossoms of Fire" (about contemporary Zapotec society).

The idea of a supreme Mother Goddess was common in Victorian and Edwardian literature: the concept of a Horned God — especially related to the gods Pan or Faunus — was less common, but still significant. Both of these ideas were widely accepted in academic literature and the popular press at the time."





Phoebe sat down in one of the chairs. "Alright, I believe I gave you guys a homework assignment last week. I'm interested in seeing what you came up with."

Re: Sign In

[identity profile] neurotic-witch.livejournal.com 2007-07-26 11:44 am (UTC)(link)
Chris Halliwell

Re: Take Notes/Chat

[identity profile] neurotic-witch.livejournal.com 2007-07-26 11:45 am (UTC)(link)
Chris took lots of notes.

Re: Answer The Homework Question

[identity profile] neurotic-witch.livejournal.com 2007-07-26 11:46 am (UTC)(link)
"I don't think it's fair for me to answer this one," Chris said with a small smile. "I know for a fact what the truth is. At least in our family."

Re: Sign In

[identity profile] imcalledandros.livejournal.com 2007-07-26 12:48 pm (UTC)(link)
Andros

Re: Sign In

[identity profile] lovelylana.livejournal.com 2007-07-26 01:24 pm (UTC)(link)
Lana Lang

Re: Sign In

[identity profile] im-afrog.livejournal.com 2007-07-26 02:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Adam Park

Re: Take Notes/Chat

[identity profile] im-afrog.livejournal.com 2007-07-26 02:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Adam was all about taking notes. Especially when he'd missed the first two classes. He wasn't planning on missing anymore, no way.

Re: Talk To Phoebe

[identity profile] im-afrog.livejournal.com 2007-07-26 03:06 pm (UTC)(link)
Adam made his way over to Phoebe, wanting to explain why he hadn't been in the previous classes. He hoped she hadn't thought he was missing out on purpose.

Re: Sign In

[identity profile] witchy-prue.livejournal.com 2007-07-26 03:16 pm (UTC)(link)
Prue Halliwell

Re: Answer The Homework Question

[identity profile] witchy-prue.livejournal.com 2007-07-26 03:23 pm (UTC)(link)
Prue hadn't really thought about the homework since she's had a been there, done that relationship with the Higher powers. But she tried to make up something anyways.

"Well, I know the truth about that for where we're from." Prue said. "But before when I didn't know anything I did believe that there was one."

Re: Sign In

[identity profile] blackmagic-eve.livejournal.com 2007-07-26 03:24 pm (UTC)(link)
Eve Levine

Re: Sign In

[identity profile] cantgetnorelief.livejournal.com 2007-07-26 03:27 pm (UTC)(link)
S.T. Anders

Re: Answer The Homework Question

[identity profile] blackmagic-eve.livejournal.com 2007-07-26 03:30 pm (UTC)(link)
"I kinda can't answer this one," Eve said, proud of the way she hadn't started cracking up. "Let's just call it... personal reasons, with an explanation some other time."

Re: Take Notes/Chat

[identity profile] blackmagic-eve.livejournal.com 2007-07-26 03:35 pm (UTC)(link)
It was, of course, complete coincidence that Eve was sitting next to Adam. (Right, and if you believed that, Eve has a bridge of the non-human variety she'd like to sell you.)

"Hey," she said, smiling gently.

Re: Take Notes/Chat

[identity profile] im-afrog.livejournal.com 2007-07-26 03:42 pm (UTC)(link)
"Hi," Adam smiled back, happy to have a class with Eve. "How are you?"

Re: Take Notes/Chat

[identity profile] blackmagic-eve.livejournal.com 2007-07-26 03:58 pm (UTC)(link)
"I'm good." She nodded slightly towards his notes. "You still catching up?"

Re: Take Notes/Chat

[identity profile] im-afrog.livejournal.com 2007-07-26 03:59 pm (UTC)(link)
"I'm attempting to, yes," Adam nodded, smirking slightly.

Re: Take Notes/Chat

[identity profile] blackmagic-eve.livejournal.com 2007-07-26 04:08 pm (UTC)(link)
"After class, you can borrow my notes from the first two classes if you want," she offered.

Re: Answer The Homework Question

[identity profile] cantgetnorelief.livejournal.com 2007-07-26 04:16 pm (UTC)(link)
"I dunno," Anders said with a slight frown. "Back home in the Colonies, people worship the Lords of Kobol, who seem to be the same gods as some of the ones your ancient Greeks had, even though I personally didn't really believe all that much in them. That actually sort of . . . I mean, you'd think that would sort of make me think they're more real, but it hasn't changed the way I think about them."

He ducked his head, his cheeks flushing bright red for a moment as he stared at his hands. "Honestly, if I believe in any kind of higher power right now, I think it's love."
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Re: Sign In

[personal profile] absolutesnark 2007-07-26 04:56 pm (UTC)(link)
Summer Roberts
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Re: Answer The Homework Question

[personal profile] absolutesnark 2007-07-26 04:59 pm (UTC)(link)
"I was raised to believe there's a higher power," Summer said. "At least I'd like to believe there is one."

Re: Take Notes/Chat

[identity profile] im-afrog.livejournal.com 2007-07-26 07:08 pm (UTC)(link)
"Thanks, that'd be awesome," Adam grinned, appreciating the offer.

Re: Answer The Homework Question

[identity profile] im-afrog.livejournal.com 2007-07-26 07:20 pm (UTC)(link)
Adam smiled slightly, before answering. "I was taught to believe in a Higher power and I still do believe that," he explained. Plain and simple. "I guess just believing in one is enough, faith is an important thing to have."

Whether it be in a Higher power or something else, well, that was up to the individual person, wasn't it?

Re: Sign In

[personal profile] blessed_twice 2007-07-27 02:43 am (UTC)(link)
Wyatt Halliwell

Re: Answer The Homework Question

[personal profile] blessed_twice 2007-07-27 02:46 am (UTC)(link)
"My and Chris's dad worked for a higher power, how's that for evidence?" Wyatt said.